The Battle of the Bulge reenactment . Indiantown Gap, suspended indefinitely.

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The Battle of the Bulge reenactment . Indiantown Gap, suspended indefinitely.

Post by RCASSIN » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:08 pm

The Battle of the Bulge reenactment at Ft. Indiantown Gap, PA has been suspended indefinitely. Official word here:

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Post by whitey1736 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:21 pm

Sounds very unfortunate from what I u seratand was a great event. Is there plans to pick it up somewhere else?

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Post by Av8er » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:42 pm

Not surprising, this has been coming for sometime. I heard from a number of sources that the garrison commander hated the event and was looking for reasons to shut it down.
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Post by ng19delta » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:17 am

We "lost" the Gap under similar circumstances in the 1980s. We went to Ft. Meade Md. and Ft Dix NJ for a few years until regime change brought in a new Post Commander, and we were welcomed back warmly. I doubt either is a viable option as NSA pretty much has Meade, and Dix is now in a communist satellite state, which makes NFA weapons very hard to transport there. That said, as to point One, Membership in CMP should suffice for certification of weapons training, as would any prior military service, or NRA weapons safety course. As to the leadership requirement, this is actually neither enforceable nor realistic. Point Three, however, IS one i would consider a sticking point, and would recommend an accountability check of the items: List sims & their owners, and then ensure any "duds" are removed from the field, and account for all reenactment ordnance both before and after the tactical. Not that hard really. But, in any case it will probably be a few years before the latest martinet goes on to another post...

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Post by battlebaby3 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:33 pm

I have a feeling more Militray bases will follow the GAP's lead. . Even Civil War lost a massive event this year Cedar Creek, VA. For us who host Remagen in Tidioute, PA we have plenty of area to use and make a large event if the Gi's are wanting it. A place were armor and infanrty can fight. I did the GAP once and that was that. 3 seperate battles. We saw armor but could not be with them ect. Times change.

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Post by Sarchet » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:43 am

That's unfortunate, and I assume this year's mortar incident was the final straw. Hopefully this decision will be reversed by the next post commander, but in the meantime it should emphasize the necessity of getting some private land to conduct major tacticals on. The WWI group that has their own trench network has it right - you can't hardly be kicked off your own property, and if it is owned by the whole organization it helps with liability quite a bit. Perhaps at some point the WW2 living history/reenactment community can come together and purchase and build up a usable area for both tacticals and major living history events.

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Post by ng19delta » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:07 am

Sarchet wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:43 am
That's unfortunate, and I assume this year's mortar incident was the final straw. Hopefully this decision will be reversed by the next post commander, but in the meantime it should emphasize the necessity of getting some private land to conduct major tacticals on. The WWI group that has their own trench network has it right - you can't hardly be kicked off your own property, and if it is owned by the whole organization it helps with liability quite a bit. Perhaps at some point the WW2 living history/reenactment community can come together and purchase and build up a usable area for both tacticals and major living history events.
I have always thought that a WWII site could well be achieved under such conditions. And the best part is construction of our own MOUT type area- small trail structure with a "town" of several buildings, etc, which could be built for the use of the reenacting community... At different times, I even threw some sketches for such together, but nothing really useful.

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Post by DaninNM » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:59 am

Please post on "THE MORTAR INCIDENT".....something can be learned from knowing the screw up details.
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Post by Lee Bishop » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:32 am

Falldownjaeger wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:41 pm
One stupid mistake screwed it up for everybody.
I doubt it was just one stupid mistake. Something like that is usually the last straw or the one thing someone was waiting for to happen to use as justification for shutting it down. Either way, it's rarely ever just one thing that results in something like this.

It's such a shame. I used to hit these events in the 90s and was lucky enough to be there for the 1995 one, which had several tanks in the field.
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Please post on "THE MORTAR INCIDENT".....something can be learned from knowing the screw up details.
Yes, I would like to know the details as well as this is the first I've heard of any such incident.
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Post by Hired Goon » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:34 am

The event organizer, WWIIHA, military officials and other involved parties have requested that there be no public discussion regarding the incident at the Gap. Please respect the request of the organizers the National Guard and other involved parties. If there is a “need” for info, contact WWIIHA. Thank you for your understanding and respect.
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Post by Lee Bishop » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:30 pm

Hired Goon wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:34 am
The event organizer, WWIIHA, military officials and other involved parties have requested that there be no public discussion regarding the incident at the Gap.
Of that, I have no doubt... :roll:
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Post by Sarchet » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:02 am

MERRIELL MOYER |MERRIELLMOYER@LDNEWS.COM | 5:44 pm EST February 5, 2018

A participant at the Battle of the Bulge re-enactment at Fort Indiantown Gap was injured by a mortar during the event Friday.
The participant, whose name has not been released, sustained an injury while firing a blank round of ammunition from a World War II Historical Association modified 60 mm mortar tube, according to officials at Fort Indiantown Garrison Headquarters.
Officials said they were not at liberty to release the extent of the injury, but the injured participant was transported to Hershey Medical Center.  Scanner reports on Friday indicated a person had lost a finger in the accident.
"As a result of the incident, and in accordance with regulations, the organization was placed in a safety stand down by Fort Indiantown Gap Range Control," a news release issued by Fort Indiantown Garrison Headquarters says. "The safety of all activities and everyone using Fort Indiantown Gap is our top priority." The investigation into the incident is ongoing.


This is the extent of what I know on the mortar, I wasn't there so I can't comment on what happened in any more detail than the news got. Things happen and luckily it was only a finger lost rather than a limb or life.

Edit: Could not find a better article, so I copied the text for those on computers.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:11 am

Sarchet wrote:
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This is the extent of what I know on the mortar, I wasn't there so I can't comment on what happened in any more detail than the news got. Things happen and luckily it was only a finger lost rather than a limb or life.
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Post by Sarchet » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:38 am

17thAirborne wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:11 am
Sarchet wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:02 am

This is the extent of what I know on the mortar, I wasn't there so I can't comment on what happened in any more detail than the news got. Things happen and luckily it was only a finger lost rather than a limb or life.
The link you posted has a virus. Do not click on it. It locks up your computer.
Huh, was fine on my phone. I'll remove the link and see if I can find another article.

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Post by MP45 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:57 am

Very sad to hear that the event has been cancelled. I have attended it for the past 8 years just for the flea market and always came home with something to add to my collection. I hope something can be worked out so that this event can continue on somewhere else.

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