Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

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Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Rustman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm

All,

I am attempting to create a spreadsheet of G518 trailer features by year and manufacturer to assist in identifying trailers with missing data tags. Once quantified I will freely share this matrix with everyone. To do this I need to make a list of distinctive features. The ones I know of right now are drawbar front notch shape and bump stops above the springs (rubber or coiled steel). I believe data plate placement is another. Into that list I need this information along with manufacturer, serial number, year, and registration number if known of as many trailers as possible to give as wide a data set as possible. For verification purposes I would like to include owner names with the data set. But WILL NOT PUBLISH that information if owners prefer not to be known.

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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:17 pm

There are some confusing features on the difference G-518 trailer as some different makes share Willys and Checker part numbered spring hangars. Can't elaborate more as there are not many to pick from around here.
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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by 42cargo » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:48 pm

I have practically no knowledge of these trailers, but I do know the parking brake location in the early ones was in front of the wheel, whereas the later ones had it behind the wheel. If you're collecting photos, you should snag the ones that were on this auction. (BTW, from the photos, this was a great deal. The body was in decent shape and it had a very early style taillight.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pre-WW2-one-to ... 7675.l2557

Hope this is helpful.

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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by timsresort » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:54 pm

Interesting project. I have a running list in my garage of differences I notice as I go through an early trailer. Some are:
1. Only one mid tailgate hinge, not 2.
2. Spring pivot bolts not drilled for cotter pins.
3. Brake handle on the right front.
4. 1 brake cable, not 2.
5. 4-hole brake backing plate and spindle.
6. 8-point hub cap, not 6.
7. Rubber bump stops, not steel spring.
8. Machined tailgate latch pins, not cast.
9. Thinner gauge steel in fenders.
10. B.O. switch behind taillight, not forward.
11. Do Ray reflectors, not King Bee.
12. Brakes- 2 external adjusters, not 1.
13. Open channel on the tongue, no boxing at all.
Some of this stuff is trivial, just interesting.
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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by timsresort » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:02 pm

42cargo wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:48 pm
I have practically no knowledge of these trailers, but I do know the parking brake location in the early ones was in front of the wheel, whereas the later ones had it behind the wheel. If you're collecting photos, you should snag the ones that were on this auction. (BTW, from the photos, this was a great deal. The body was in decent shape and it had a very early style taillight.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pre-WW2-one-to ... 7675.l2557

Hope this is helpful.

John
Great photos, did not see that auction. That is the same make and a month earlier than mine. Note the 1 center hinge and RF brake handle with 1 cable. Only other Lavine Gear trailer I have seen.
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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Rustman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:44 am

That's a great list of features! Thanks a bunch. And the eBay auction link sure helps me to picture them! And the spring hangers with shared part numbers, I'll note that too as I go long. That's the kind of stuff that makes identifying a trailer a challenge.

Matt
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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by signsup » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:42 pm

Do you want this info and photos PM'd to you, or posted on this thread.
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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Rustman » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:57 am

However you are comfortable doing it. For my purposes I don't think I'll often need photos, except when clarifying something that confuses me. But for broader research the photos might help more people.

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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by ThierryB » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:58 pm

Hello,

Great idea do collect data for those nice trailers. Here is the data plate of one of my T6 BANTAM :

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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Rustman » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:57 pm

Thierry Thanks for your contribution.

Based on a few observation of my own, quite a few from Tim and some support from John I've come up with the following questioner to use for my type study. With this I don't think I'll need any pictures of your trailer. This list is not firm, if upon review as data comes in a distinguishing feature is found to actually be on all original trailers then it's not distinguishing and it'll get removed. If a data point is missing I'll add it and I guess go back and inquire with owners who have already sent me data. Here's what I have so far:


Manufacture:
Month:
Year:
Serial Number:
USA/Registration Number:

Body Type: Composite or Steel
Drawbar Shape: (reinforcement) Open, Knotched, Angled, Other (please describe)
Landing Wheel: Rubber, Riveted Steel, Pressed Steel
Spring Bump Stop: Coiled Steel or Rubber
Data Tag Position:
Data Tag Size:
# of hinges (steel): Center hinge, single point on body or two
Spring Pivot Bolts: Drilled for cotter pins or not drilled
Brake Handle Location: Right Rear, Right Front
# of Brake Cables: 1 or 2
Backing Plate Hole Pattern: 4 bolt or 5 bolt
Hub Cap Points: 6 or 8
BO Switch Location Forward of or Rearward of tail light
Tailgate Latch Pins: Cast or Machined
Reflectors: Brand
Brake Adjusters: Number of on backing plate

Thoughts?

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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Ben Dover » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:00 pm

The Data Plate on my K-52 was missing and the undersurface had the USMC undercoat treatment. The left Drawbar has a U.S.M.C. Registration stamped on top of it. It had the Spare Tire Bracket. You will notice that modt of the Spare Tire Brackets on the Ben Hurs are sort of crudly made out of bar stock. They look like they were made in a blacksmith shop. I sold spare tire bracket to Dr. Benett, one of the MVPA Directors from back in the 80's.
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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Tinwoodsman » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:59 pm

Ben, I am getting ready to start the restoration on my Marine Ben Hur and would like to find out if there are any yellow painted markings other than the USMC and the Number? Mine does have the ID number on the front rail.

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Re: Ben Hur Distinguishing Features by Maker/Year

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:10 pm

I did not look for markings, it was transfered to an airport Fire Department thru Civil Defence ans had a nearly flawless orange enamel finish. There were traces of O.D. over USMC. I painted it with GI Issue OD-319 back in 89. It rarely goes outside.
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