RAEME M816
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- Howard816
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Re: RAEME M816
Trailer board (Tow light set) stored behind cab and above spare wheel, on frame attached to extendable beacon support (can just be seen on Unimog tow pic - post three, still stowed on M816)
If anyone has one of these trailer boards or access to one, I'd really like more pics/dims etc. Thanks
Left side of trailer board support and twinned welding bottle stowage on drivers side - (on US truck, they're separated on either side of vehicle)
If anyone has one of these trailer boards or access to one, I'd really like more pics/dims etc. Thanks
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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Re: RAEME M816
I'll pose the question on the RAEME Board I'm on.....
See what they can come up with......
JR
See what they can come up with......
JR
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- Howard816
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Re: RAEME M816
Lighting question - stock US lighting is single red rear light that is 'dim' for running and bright for brake and turn (flashes), including a small convoy or 'blackout' lamp and a separate round reflector.
If braking and turning, one side will be bright continuous and the other (turning) side will flash. This is obviously not legal for Australian roads, so supplemental Hella lights were added. Amber for turn, red for brake and a central reflector.
But seeing as the original US lights were left in place - WHAT WAS THE WIRING/FUNCTION of each? Added side body lamps/guards (red backwards - amber forwards), similar for the boom but amber both directions. Guard missing.
If braking and turning, one side will be bright continuous and the other (turning) side will flash. This is obviously not legal for Australian roads, so supplemental Hella lights were added. Amber for turn, red for brake and a central reflector.
But seeing as the original US lights were left in place - WHAT WAS THE WIRING/FUNCTION of each? Added side body lamps/guards (red backwards - amber forwards), similar for the boom but amber both directions. Guard missing.
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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Re: RAEME M816
Other rear differences:
Number plate (civi style Rego here - ARN is white numbers on black or green on white depending on when the truck was purchased/issued) and numberplate lamp.
Body stop ends - right side is extended and left side is all additional - painted white in service and marked "CAUTION LHD", often in red.
Steps are reinforced with added 'face' strip. Often painted white in service.
Suspended tow structure - added 4"x 4" tube with 1 1/2" 'ears'.
Added air fitting right hand side.
Hinged mudflaps with chain tether - not all M816's had this mod, only seen in a couple of pics.
Bumperettes removed on this truck but painted white if retained. (I have seen some US wreckers w/o these too). Not sure why stabiliser pads are all painted yellow/black as a hazard, they are not over wide, certainly no wider that side lamp guards and they go on the ground when deployed - you would think the extended legs or arms would be painted as a hazard. Hmmmm...???
Number plate (civi style Rego here - ARN is white numbers on black or green on white depending on when the truck was purchased/issued) and numberplate lamp.
Body stop ends - right side is extended and left side is all additional - painted white in service and marked "CAUTION LHD", often in red.
Steps are reinforced with added 'face' strip. Often painted white in service.
Suspended tow structure - added 4"x 4" tube with 1 1/2" 'ears'.
Added air fitting right hand side.
Hinged mudflaps with chain tether - not all M816's had this mod, only seen in a couple of pics.
Bumperettes removed on this truck but painted white if retained. (I have seen some US wreckers w/o these too). Not sure why stabiliser pads are all painted yellow/black as a hazard, they are not over wide, certainly no wider that side lamp guards and they go on the ground when deployed - you would think the extended legs or arms would be painted as a hazard. Hmmmm...???
Last edited by Howard816 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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Re: RAEME M816
All the lighting issues are to do with what are currently called Australian Design Rules or ADR's. This document has obviously been updated but very similar rules apply as what I am offering were current on the M816 in their day.
https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2009C00579
They apply to motor bikes, automobiles & trailers as well as trucks.
Red can only be on the extreme rear of the vehicle, not along the side.
That is why the amber clearance lights are showing both front & rear.
Red reflectors are only allowed on the extreme rear & only amber along the side.
No white lights to the rear except the 2 shielded number plate illumination lights.
In those years all LHD vehicles had the rear & sometimes front placards warning other drivers.
Combined red stop & turn flashers [like used in the US & Canada] are illegal, as are independent red flashers. This 'combined' feature was disabled & the flashers on a separate circuit from the stop light bulbs so that each circuit would be totally independent of one another.
Only amber flashers both front & rear, no other colour.
Chained mudflaps were fitted when the unit got sick of replacing the fixed ones that got damaged/ripped off travelling cross country.
The painted stabilizers were to give better after hours visibility to the vehicle side on. Some were painted white.
Maybe some would have had reflective amber/yellow striping on black.
Later in the scheme of things reflective rear marker plates were also required & some of your pictures show these:
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh ... VSB_12.pdf
https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2009C00579
They apply to motor bikes, automobiles & trailers as well as trucks.
Red can only be on the extreme rear of the vehicle, not along the side.
That is why the amber clearance lights are showing both front & rear.
Red reflectors are only allowed on the extreme rear & only amber along the side.
No white lights to the rear except the 2 shielded number plate illumination lights.
In those years all LHD vehicles had the rear & sometimes front placards warning other drivers.
Combined red stop & turn flashers [like used in the US & Canada] are illegal, as are independent red flashers. This 'combined' feature was disabled & the flashers on a separate circuit from the stop light bulbs so that each circuit would be totally independent of one another.
Only amber flashers both front & rear, no other colour.
Chained mudflaps were fitted when the unit got sick of replacing the fixed ones that got damaged/ripped off travelling cross country.
The painted stabilizers were to give better after hours visibility to the vehicle side on. Some were painted white.
Maybe some would have had reflective amber/yellow striping on black.
Later in the scheme of things reflective rear marker plates were also required & some of your pictures show these:
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh ... VSB_12.pdf
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Re: RAEME M816
Thanks for the info John. Lighting is pretty much the same as for the UK. I am trying to work out what, of the original US spec stuff, was used....
<<Combined red stop & turn flashers [like used in the US & Canada] are illegal, as are independent red flashers. This 'combined' feature was disabled & the flashers on a separate circuit from the stop light bulbs so that each circuit would be totally independent of one another.
Only amber flashers both front & rear, no other colour.>>
So does that mean that the US lamps were mostly redundant and only retained the 'convoy' function? Turn went to Amber in Hella unit, brake and 'tail' same?
<<Red can only be on the extreme rear of the vehicle, not along the side.
That is why the amber clearance lights are showing both front & rear.>>
- Except the last side marker which has red to rear - I did see that in the rules and confirmed by pics.
I am also assuming that the cab side lights were turn signal repeaters and the small lamps on the door mirror tops were side marker lights.
<<Chained mudflaps>
Yes - they are a pain but only when reversing off road or against high curbs.
<<Later in the scheme of things reflective rear marker plates were also required & some of your pictures show these>>
The big reflective squares with diag red on amber, like US vehicles in Europe (Delineator/delineation plates) - yeah, I got some (400x400) but not sure when they were required. I'm doing mid 70's - even got the correct Gov paint chip/sample. <<https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh ... VSB_12.pdf>> link didn't go anywhere....
Thanks again.
<<Combined red stop & turn flashers [like used in the US & Canada] are illegal, as are independent red flashers. This 'combined' feature was disabled & the flashers on a separate circuit from the stop light bulbs so that each circuit would be totally independent of one another.
Only amber flashers both front & rear, no other colour.>>
So does that mean that the US lamps were mostly redundant and only retained the 'convoy' function? Turn went to Amber in Hella unit, brake and 'tail' same?
<<Red can only be on the extreme rear of the vehicle, not along the side.
That is why the amber clearance lights are showing both front & rear.>>
- Except the last side marker which has red to rear - I did see that in the rules and confirmed by pics.
I am also assuming that the cab side lights were turn signal repeaters and the small lamps on the door mirror tops were side marker lights.
<<Chained mudflaps>
Yes - they are a pain but only when reversing off road or against high curbs.
<<Later in the scheme of things reflective rear marker plates were also required & some of your pictures show these>>
The big reflective squares with diag red on amber, like US vehicles in Europe (Delineator/delineation plates) - yeah, I got some (400x400) but not sure when they were required. I'm doing mid 70's - even got the correct Gov paint chip/sample. <<https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh ... VSB_12.pdf>> link didn't go anywhere....
Thanks again.
Last edited by Howard816 on Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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Re: RAEME M816
Howard816 wrote:Thanks for the info John. Lighting is pretty much the same as for the UK. I am trying to work out what, of the original US spec stuff, was used....
<<Combined red stop & turn flashers [like used in the US & Canada] are illegal, as are independent red flashers. This 'combined' feature was disabled & the flashers on a separate circuit from the stop light bulbs so that each circuit would be totally independent of one another.
Only amber flashers both front & rear, no other colour.>>
So does that mean that the US lamps were mostly redundant and only retained the 'convoy' function? Turn went to Amber in Hella unit, brake and 'tail' same? [The original brake lights still worked & probably blackout with light on white painted differential cover/s.]
<<Red can only be on the extreme rear of the vehicle, not along the side.
That is why the amber clearance lights are showing both front & rear.>>
- Except the last side marker which has red to rear - I did see that in the rue and confirmed by pics.
I am also assuming that the cab side lights were turn signal repeaters [correct]and the small lamps on the door mirror tops were side marker lights.[facing front?]
<<Chained mudflaps>
Yes - they are a pain but only when reversing off road or against high curbs.
<<Later in the scheme of things reflective rear marker plates were also required & some of your pictures show these>>
The big reflective squares with diag red on amber, like US vehicles in Europe (Delineator/delineation plates) - yeah, I got some (400x400) but not sure when they were required. I'm doing mid 70's - even got the correct Gov paint chip/sample. <<https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh ... VSB_12.pdf>> link didn't go anywhere....
[Sent associated PDF's direct to your email]
Thanks again.
John GIBBINS Member Institute of Automotive Mechanical Engineers [Ret], ASE Master Medium/Heavy Truck & Auto Technician USA -2002 Licensed Motor Mech NSW MVIC 49593 Current 2015
TO DIAGNOSE, TROUBLESHOOT OR FAULT FIND ANY AUTO SYSTEM....
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Re: RAEME M816
One of my mates in RAEME said he'll measure up that ON TOW when he gets back....
Patience required on this one.
Patience required on this one.
My Question to everyone was......... He'd like to know if anyone can help with the dimensions of the "ON TOW" Board. He's restoring this vehicle to RAEME specs.
Answer Back was :-
Can do, I'm not back at work until the 27th Jan though.
Jon Rogers
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Re: RAEME M816
Heard back again.
There is blokes back at work from the 12th so I'll get them to measure it up and send me/you the specs.
You want just the board? Or the measurements of the light holders too? They slide out to what ever length you need.
Jon Rogers
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1942 MBT 19433W
AUSTRALIA
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Parts Colours Page http://jeepdraw.com/PART_COLOURS.htm
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1942 MBT 19433W
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I sent him this. and he said he's get all the bracket measurements as well.......
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- Howard816
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Re: RAEME M816
Thanks Jon. As many measurements as possible.. I can scale all the bolt heads and strap slots from the first picture - but I have no idea what all the bracketry/wiring etc., on the back looks like.
I am going to have to recreate the whole thing - board (plywood), reflective stripes, board slide brackets, slide outs, lamp bracket/guards, straps, cable, plug etc. Pics work pretty good if they are taken perpendicular as I can digitally scale if I have a reference dimension, ie., board O/A length & height.
I already have one set of 'Hella' lamps for the truck, but if anyone 'down under' could get another set for the board - that would help. (suitable beer tokens available)
Alternatively - if one becomes available - I'd take all the parts and just make the ply board (cut shipping costs).
Thanks.
Got this pis recently showing the layout of the extending arms and the wiring.
I am going to have to recreate the whole thing - board (plywood), reflective stripes, board slide brackets, slide outs, lamp bracket/guards, straps, cable, plug etc. Pics work pretty good if they are taken perpendicular as I can digitally scale if I have a reference dimension, ie., board O/A length & height.
I already have one set of 'Hella' lamps for the truck, but if anyone 'down under' could get another set for the board - that would help. (suitable beer tokens available)
Alternatively - if one becomes available - I'd take all the parts and just make the ply board (cut shipping costs).
Thanks.
Got this pis recently showing the layout of the extending arms and the wiring.
Last edited by Howard816 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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Re: RAEME M816
Just ask nicely & we can do most anything.
http://hella.com.au/catalogue.html
http://hella.com.au/catalogue.html
John GIBBINS Member Institute of Automotive Mechanical Engineers [Ret], ASE Master Medium/Heavy Truck & Auto Technician USA -2002 Licensed Motor Mech NSW MVIC 49593 Current 2015
TO DIAGNOSE, TROUBLESHOOT OR FAULT FIND ANY AUTO SYSTEM....
Understand how system parts interact with one another. GOOD parts can then be established & the NOT GOOD problem/s part/s isolated for repair or replacement.
TO DIAGNOSE, TROUBLESHOOT OR FAULT FIND ANY AUTO SYSTEM....
Understand how system parts interact with one another. GOOD parts can then be established & the NOT GOOD problem/s part/s isolated for repair or replacement.
- Howard816
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Re: RAEME M816
Thanks Jon - that catalogue isn't that friendly! I remember looking through it a while back when I got the ones for the rear of the truck, having to open every light in the list to see what it looks like - tedious. I found the 2578 lamps which 'looked the part' but those aren't listed in the current catalogue that you linked, however I did see 2404 which is close but a little too "square". BUT - doing a search for Hella 2578 came up with some in the US for $16!!! Even though the reflector in the middle isn't quite right - it's full width rather than a small square in the middle, I'm thinking that it will be close enough. Besides, who over here is going to notice! (Other than me now telling everyone).
I'd still be prepared to buy a whole trailer board if one comes up....
The ones I can't find are the cab and mirror lamps... So - Please keep you eyes peeled for them "local' to you!
I'd still be prepared to buy a whole trailer board if one comes up....
The ones I can't find are the cab and mirror lamps... So - Please keep you eyes peeled for them "local' to you!
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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Re: RAEME M816
Bypass Oil Filter installed on all RAEME M816s:
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
- Howard816
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Re: RAEME M816
As seen above - welding bottle stowage was changed from US issue.
M816 - to RAEME specs
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
M916A1 - USAF '819 RedHorse' + M870A1 trailer
LR 101 - 2 PARA wrecker + Sankey 'widetrack'
LR LtWt - winterised
Armstrong MT 500
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