Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

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Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by fernando mendes » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:15 am

The flat side of the copper washer is toward the screwhead or.....
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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by mudflap » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:06 pm

Hi Fernando,

Not sure what you mean... Do you have a pic you could show us ?

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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by fernando mendes » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:05 pm

Hi mudflap.
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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by mudflap » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:36 pm

Hi Fernando,

Are those the solid copper washers used in the brake system ? (Based on the pics, they look to be solid.)

If so, it should not make a difference which way they are used.

If that's not the case, let me know....

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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by fernando mendes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:45 pm

Hi mudflap.That was an answer I saw in a Dodge pilothouse(1948-1954) forum.
Looks like a stamp formed washer so you have slight roll in on one edge and sharp on the other. Personally, I put the round edge against the larger flat surface and the sharp edge by the bolt head, as any deformation of the parent material in the stamping process will create a SLIGHT concavity/convexity.
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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by mudflap » Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:39 pm

Hi Fernando,

If it is a solid copper washer, like those used on a brake system, I really can't think of any advantages with either orientation.

If any concave/convex distortion is present, it will disappear quickly as the bolt is torqued down.

On troublesome joints (ones that maybe have a rough surface and won't seal easily) I have had good luck annealing the copper washer by momentarily heating it with a torch. This softens the copper, making it more compliant.

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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by YLG80 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm

fernando mendes wrote:
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:15 am
The flat side of the copper washer is toward the screwhead or.....
Hello Fernando,
The round edge or chamfer, if present, on a washer, made in copper or other metal, is more related to the punching process than to the use of the washer.
The chamfer/round edge is conditioned by the press die shape.
The die shape is optimized for industrial reasons, i.e avoid burrs, process speed, quality and reliability.

Here is a comment about that round edge/chamfer found in a technical journal:
It is found that the minimum average burr heights of AISI 1018 and AISI 202 sheet occur when they are cut using the chamfer and convex piercing punches at cutting speeds of 35 and 30 m/s, respectively, and a thickness of 2 mm.
Depending upon the material and its thickness to be punched, they change the die design accordingly to optimize the above mentioned parameters.

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Re: Which is the correct side of the copper washer?

Post by fernando mendes » Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:54 pm

Thanks to mudflap and Yves.Regards.
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