G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

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G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Quest Master » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:09 pm

I am pleased to say I just found and recovered this gorgeous WWII U.S. Army Westfield Columbia G519 Woman's bicycle, serial number MG154711. Unrestored, but all of the wartime bits to include the grips and wooden pedals are present.
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Van
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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by blackcat77 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:25 am

Hello Van;
Nice find, above your number you must have a "K8 " dated August 43.
What is the date on the rear hub? letter-number
It is between 2 G519 COLUMBIA bicycle: 154703 - 154713
I myself have a G519 COLUMBIA women bicycle: 155000, found in France in March 2017.
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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Quest Master » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:44 am

Indeed there is a K 8 above the serial number, once I cleaned it, and the Eclipse hub has a date code of M3.
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Van
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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by blackcat77 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:29 pm

Re;
This is its original rear wheel of your bicycle, L3 ( July - September 43).
I have the same code M3 on mine.
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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Quest Master » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:34 pm

So, do you have a archive document of serial numbers to production dates?
Because if mine has a date code of M3 (1944, 3rd quarter July-September) on the Eclipse hub, and yours does too, I would think the bicycle would have been made at that point and not August 1943.
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Van
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"If the DUKW was introduced in 1944 it would have been called a FUKW."
45 GMC DUKW (105mm)
42 Ford GPW
44 Willys MB
44 Clark CA-1
43 Studebaker T-24
42 Harley WLA
44 Cushman 53
42 Willys MBT
44 Columbia F-92L
43 Huffman G-519

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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Adrian J Hardgrave » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:54 am

Hi Van,

That is a nice find, and increasingly rare to come across these days.

Blackcat is a good friend of mine, and pointed me to your post. Since some of the information he's using is from research I have carried out and published on CABE, I don't think he'll mind me answering.

MG154711 K8, with an M3 Morrow hub. The K8 indicates this bicycle frame was made in August 1943. Due to the urgence of wartime manufacture, it was probably built up into a bike almost immediately. M3 is a Quarter three Morrow code for July to Sept 1943, and that would be right for bikes being turned out at this point.

Mr. Columbia has said in the past that all production records for Westfield were thrown away, so there probably aren't any original production documents to be had. However, when I got my own G519 a few years ago, I wasn't happy with the lack of information available in comparison to, say, G503 (I have a Slat Grill, and some of my older posts are on this site under Adrian Hardgrave), so I sat down to find what I could.

As a result, I have listings of around 70 WW2 Military Columbias, (and over 500 pre WW2 Westfield produced bikes) and a similar number of Huffmans, which helps solve some of the production questions (and raises others).

For the Ladies M306 we know in 1943 that 2500 bicycles were ordered under Ordnance contract 3459.

We don't know, and can't tell what the actual serial number range for those bikes was, since their production is not in a single number block, but is mixed in with G519's (this bike is close to my own G519 which appears in a block of ladies bikes), and Columbia Compax F92L's, and possibly other civilian bikes, not yet identified.

The earliest known surviving ladies bike at the moment is MG139872 K6, so a June 1943 frame, and I don't have the Morrow hub code. The latest survivor is MG155000 K8, with an M3 hub. So production of these 2500 bikes was spread over at least 15000 serial numbers from June to August 1943.

I currently have 13 (including this one) of these M306 bicycles listed as survivors.

I hope that helps, please don't hestiate to ask if I can explain something better.

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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Quest Master » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:23 am

Adrian,
That is spectacular detail. Thank you.
First, for clarity, the hub code M3, is that for 1943 - because earlier it is listed as L3, in the thread.
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Van
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"If the DUKW was introduced in 1944 it would have been called a FUKW."
45 GMC DUKW (105mm)
42 Ford GPW
44 Willys MB
44 Clark CA-1
43 Studebaker T-24
42 Harley WLA
44 Cushman 53
42 Willys MBT
44 Columbia F-92L
43 Huffman G-519

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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by blackcat77 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:19 am

Hello;
Van, excuse me for the error :oops: , yours is M3, i confused with the L3 hub of my 41 G519 MF17056 which i am starting to restore.
Adrian, on the contrary, thank you for your message and your work on the G519 :)
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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Quest Master » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:42 pm

Serge,
Oh wonderful! So, M3 is correct for rear hub to my bicycle serial number range - produced in the third quarter of 1943.

I wanted to make sure because these threads are used by other historians while conducting research and I wanted to make sure I was following correctly.

Thank you again for the detailed information!
Thanks,
Van
Kosovo, Afghanistan (x2) and Iraq Campaign Veteran
"If the DUKW was introduced in 1944 it would have been called a FUKW."
45 GMC DUKW (105mm)
42 Ford GPW
44 Willys MB
44 Clark CA-1
43 Studebaker T-24
42 Harley WLA
44 Cushman 53
42 Willys MBT
44 Columbia F-92L
43 Huffman G-519

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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Johan WILLAERT » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:19 am

Great find...

My M306 is #140418
MVPA#14204
Huffman D50546 (1942)
Westfield Columbia MG138969 & MG140418 (1943)
HD 42WLA31854 (1943)
Ford GPW272xxx (1945)
Bantam T3 56433(Est) (1945)
John Wood M3A4 17564 (1943)
Johnston Lawn Mower Co RL35-A 1255 (1944)
BSA Mark V* T136102 (1944)
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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Johan WILLAERT » Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:12 am

Johan WILLAERT wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:19 am
Great find...

My M306 is #140418
Before and After
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MVPA#14204
Huffman D50546 (1942)
Westfield Columbia MG138969 & MG140418 (1943)
HD 42WLA31854 (1943)
Ford GPW272xxx (1945)
Bantam T3 56433(Est) (1945)
John Wood M3A4 17564 (1943)
Johnston Lawn Mower Co RL35-A 1255 (1944)
BSA Mark V* T136102 (1944)
The Liberator

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Re: G519 Columbia Woman's Bicycle - found and recovered!

Post by Travelfix » Mon May 03, 2021 5:16 am

Nice....goes to show they're still out there!! Congratulations!


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