Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Ben Dover » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:56 am

All the more reason to Purchase the book "Preproduction Civilian Jeep" by Fred Coldwell.
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by dpcd67 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:14 pm

I guess I need that book; good salesman.
A friend has a very early CJ with the tool indents in the side, and a column shift transmission. Looks like a CB. Get it?
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Fortyeight2A » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:00 pm

dpcd67 wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:14 pm
Looks like a CB. Get it?
If there weren't already other terms for that vehicle, "CB" would be a good one. :)
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Ben Dover » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:10 pm

My family was in the Automobile business starting in 45. We bought a Pasture Green CJ-2A late summer 45 from the first batch to arrive in New England at a dealer in Massachusetts. Our mechanics back then were WWII Army veterans. That was the beginning of my Jeep hobby along with soon to come MV's.
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by The Fireman » Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:53 pm

Anith,

You may wish to pursue your question on the CJ 2A page. There is alot of information on that website and helpful people as well.

https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/

My 1945 CJ2A is serial number CJ2A11809 and is unrestored.

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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Fred Coldwell » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:25 am

Mark Jesic wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:31 am
I thought the last MB rolled off the production line on the 21st September 1945 ? I await correction.
Hi Mark:

That date could be correct for MB jeeps produced by Willys-Overland for the U.S.Army's Ordnance Department, your standard Army MB jeep that most people are familiar with. But there was a second model MB jeep produced by Willys during and after WW II, the series of Navy radio jeeps with an auxiliary 12 volt electrical system for operating mid-range radio sets. The last of these Navy radio jeeps came from the factory with a waterproof ignition system. I owned a MB-Navy Basic radio jeep that was delivered on October 10, 1945 (10-10-45), but it was built for and delivered to the Navy, not the Army.

A list of significant (over $50,000.00) Navy contracts with Willys for MB jeeps and related equipment can be found on page 420 in Mark Tombleson's chapter 15 ("Willys-Overland Navy and Marine Corps Contract Jeeps of World War II") in Volume 2 of Lloyd White's 5 volume series of books titled "The Evolution of the Willys-Overland MB Jeep". Willys MB jeeps built for the Navy and Marine Corps are not as well known as standardized Army jeeps, but they have been gaining a following over the past dozen or so years.

Willys MB (and MB-related) production for the Navy continued after August 21, 1945. A Navy contract for radio jeep kits to upfit a standard MB into a 12 volt radio jeep was completed in December, 1945. A Navy contract for jeep conversions was completed in January 1946; a Navy contract for more conversion kits was completed in March 1946; and a Navy contract for vehicle conversions was completed in April, 1946. The Navy, as opposed to the Army, did not cancel all its contracts with Willys upon cessation of hostilities.

Anith: The Willys jeep pictured on the cover of my book "Preproduction Civilian Jeeps" is, as others have stated, the first known CJ-1, X18. After publication, a second CJ-1 has been discovered, X19. These two CJ-1s are basically MB jeeps with a few body changes (draw bar added for plowing, tailgate added for easier access to the bed, causing the spare tire to be moved to the passenger side, etc.) to begin to figure out what features a useful civilian jeep should have.

Then forty preproduction CJ-2 jeeps were built by Willys and used for testing their new features, including a rear Power Take-Off. The first 20 CJ-2s were built in Fall 1945 and were called Agrijeeps. They were used primarily to test lower (numerically higher) gear ratios in the drive train for plowing (5.38 axles vs. MB 4.88 axles, 2.43 low gear ratio in the transfer case vs. 1.98 in the MB, etc. etc. ). The second 20 preproduction CJ-2s released in early 1945 were used to test simplified body production (such as substituting stampings for castings) and reduced production costs. I am presently restoring one such stamped JEEP, CJ2-26, which is documented in this thread on TheCJ2APage.com: https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/the- ... page1.html

The development and history of these preproduction civilian jeeps is explained in excruciating detail in my book "Preproduction Civilian Jeeps, 1944-1945 Models CJ-1 and CJ-2."
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by dpcd67 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:47 pm

Interesting. Are the ones with the column shift T90s, AgriJeeps?
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Fred Coldwell » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:34 pm

dpcd67 wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:47 pm
Interesting. Are the ones with the column shift T90s, AgriJeeps?
Mostly. The first two Agrijeeps had a column shift T84X transmission, but the last 18 Agrijeeps had either a column shift T90 or a column shift T90A transmission. All the second 20 preproduction JEEP-stamped CJ-2s had the column shift T-90A transmission, as did the earliest CJ-2A Universal jeeps up to engine serial number CJ-2A-44417.
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Fabrizio » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:49 pm

Thanks for the informations and for the restauration lin Fred; that will be my morning lecture!
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by dpcd67 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:15 am

I just got the book from Mr Coldwell; if you ever wondered about CJs origins, you need this book even if you don't have one. They are the rarest jeeps and began long before I ever though possible; like in 1944, Willys was thinking about and making prototypes for, the civilian market.
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Re: Are MBs produced immediately after war called CJs?

Post by Ben Dover » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:39 pm

You will be guaranteed to talk Jeep like a pro after purchasing this book. It fills in the gaps, the MB influence lived on in the early CJ's.
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