How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by rob1 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:22 am

Hello Chuck, thanks and Good revalidation for the next few weeks

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by 5280BeltFed » Sun May 03, 2020 10:34 am

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:07 pm
I'm not able to do much now after surgery, give me another 3-4 weeks, guys and I will try to help you all out.
Thanks and get well soon!

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by stevenrmount » Mon May 04, 2020 4:35 pm

Chuck, I recently purchased a 1/4T trailer and hoping you can help me determine what I have.
It is missing the data plate, back panel, tailights and reflectors. So no USA number or SN#.
The ACM number under the spring hanger is: 79155. No "W" or "B" found.
The axle tube is welded in the center and the upper shock mounts are bolted and uses a nut to secure shock while lower mount uses cotter pins to secure shock.
Springs are 8 leaf flat types with clip closure on the bottom.
Looks like the taillight mounts were bolted on, but are missing.
No numbers on draw bar or frame by handbrake.
I found no markings on fender or trailer bolt heads.

Thanks for any help you can provide.
Steve

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon May 04, 2020 5:06 pm

Get back to me in a few weeks when I hope I feel better, OK?
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by stevenrmount » Mon May 04, 2020 10:05 pm

Sorry, hope you are okay.
I will wait, thanks.
Steve

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by jeremy1942 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:54 pm

Hi,
I started to restore my 1/4 ton Willys MB.T Trailer from my granddad and was wondering the US Number from that thing if there is one existing. I thought maybe you can help me?

Serial Number: 11650
Date of delivery: 11/42


looking forward for your reply,

Thank you,

Jeremy
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by darrenhood » Mon May 25, 2020 8:26 am

Mine has no data plate, after media blasting to bare metal, i see no holes where one would have been attached. Number stamped in left side frame rail, forward of front spring hanger is ☆7033☆, any idea who made it & when? Thanks guys.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by PB40 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:40 am

Chuck Lutz ..hope you can identify my trailer


1) Data Plate: no dataplate available
2)Not found , paint scheme was French army
3) ACM Number: no acm number
4) Upper Shock Mount: cotter-pin type? Is it BOLTED to the frame? LOWER shock mount is cotter-pin type?
5) The axel is a straight tube, with a welded seam in the middle
6) Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Eight , Flattened "U" shape bolts on top
7) Til lights not present
8) Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted to the tub .
9) Numbers: Stamped in Tub/frame side righthand side in frame BANTAM T3 64964
10) Bolts:most all flat without marking found few AA and 2 EC marked
11) Unit Numbers:not found
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:06 pm

For Steven Mount:

A reasonable estimate for you would be as follows"
Bantam
Serial Number...…..29641
DOD...…………………..9/7/43
USA Number...……...0277048
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:10 pm

For Darren Hood:

Go to the top of this thread and send me everything I listed along with a couple GOOD CLEAR pics of the ACM number you found. We can go from there.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:19 pm

For PB40:
While it would appear you have a Bantam, without the ACM number off the left front spring hanger, there is no clue to the missing data except to note it isn't an EARLY Bantam.

I saw the "WO A 3977 PWD" stamping but I did not see the "BANTAM T3 64964" marking you mentioned.
Where exactly was that stamped?
Did it have the four holes for the data plate?

Again, the ACM number is like your G-529 DNA.....it tells a LOT about the trailer!
Chuck Lutz

GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3-C 1947

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:35 am

For PB40

Sorry Chuck, but look the rivets on front bar !!! They are no holes.
It look like a Luther Jordan not US frame and body

I saw on body not the same stamped line than US body, they don’t go to the top of the body on right and left panel.

I can make a mistake, too 😉
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Dave86 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:27 pm

Hi ,
I started the restoration of a trailer, but I don't have the data plate..


1 Data Plate: Missing, 229th rebuild depot...
2. USA Number:
3. ACM Number: 143173 or 148173
4. Shock Mount: Upper and lower cotter-pin type
5. Is the axle: Straight tube, no seam.
6. Springs: Eight. Beveled willys style
7. Taillights & Reflectors: missing.
8. Taillight Mounts: Missing, bolt patern.
9. Numbers: none
10. Bolts: A , E C, AA ,BC ,AVP, dcPd
11. Unit Numbers none

Many thanks

Regards
Davide
Ps
I’m not able to add picture of the acm number

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:58 am

Dave....

Please confirm the following.
1) the upper shock mount is RIVETED or BOLTED to the frame?
2) the upper shock mounting pin is threaded or drilled for a cotter pin. You must remove the shock to see if the pin has threads on it and the hole for the cotter pin was drilled later.
3) Willys stopped production of the MBT in March 1944. At that time, ACM was delivering tub assemblies with an ACM number in the 1038xx range so yours is NOT a Willys MBT.
4) email me the ACM picture as well as the 229th rebuild plate.
5) where do you and the trailer live? City/State/Country?
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Dave86 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 pm

Hi Chuck

1)the upper shock mount is BOLTED to the frame
2) the upper shock mounting pin is drilled for a cotter pin
I live near Domodossola in northern Italy ,Piemonte

where can I find your email?

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