How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:39 am

MUTT...
Email me your city/state and your name for my data base as well as if you can confirm if the Upper Shock Mounts are RIVETED or BOLTED to the frame and I will work up the missing info you requested.
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GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
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Post by somemutt » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:32 pm

#7. also it has upper shock mounts riveted on the frame.
and we are in Yakima Washington USA.

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Post by Tim Shanteler » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:51 pm

Here is my info on my 3-44 MBT Trailer. I'll send you the photo of the data plate.

Data Plate: If yours is present, what is the info stamped on it? How many "fields" are available for stamping info?
YES
SER. NO>. 64246
DOD 3-44
Parts List 529
OPS Manual 1230

USA Number:….. NONE

ACM Number: 110402

Upper Shock Mount: COTTER PIN; BOLTED to the frame; LOWER shock mount-COTTER PIN

The axel: a straight tube
Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Eight
Standard FLAT Willys type:YES the spring clips have the closure on the bottom
Taillights & Reflectors:
What is the mfg of the taillight buckets…. MISSING.
What about the reflector bezels? …CORCORAN BROWN NO. 100.
1) Check to see if the reflectors have the bolt HEADS inside the tub….. YES
2) See if they have any lead washers on them…. YES
Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted to the tub. YES



Numbers: Look on the top or sides of the drawbars: NONE


Bolts: AA, EC and A mixture

Unit Numbers: NONE


If you can give me a guesstimate on the USA # it would be appreciated.

Thanks

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1944 WC-52 81750129
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1943 Ben Hur 0347395 (Gertstenlager)

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Remko » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:45 pm

Hi,

does anybody already made a list of the data in these 33 pages of this topic?

i'd like to date my third and fourth trailer aswel as that of a few friends.

Thanks in advance
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G529 T3 B50633 CX 5713957 serial# 20556 d.o.d. 03-01-1943 (est) With original tandem conversion.

G529 T3 or MBT 111984
G529 T3 or MBT 120745
G529 MBT

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Post by nick peters » Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:18 am

Hey Remco
Surely Chuck Has all the trailer details which have been posted here on his Lists.?
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Post by Remko » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:25 pm

nick peters wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:18 am
Hey Remco
Surely Chuck Has all the trailer details which have been posted here on his Lists.?
regards Nick
Don't think Chuck puts his work online in a simple PDF or other form (database) just like the G503 (estimated) serial number DoD production date etc. database.

I've gathered a few ACM - serial - mfg. date - USA number combinations.

Would be nice to have all known trailers in a database.
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G529 T3 B50633 CX 5713957 serial# 20556 d.o.d. 03-01-1943 (est) With original tandem conversion.

G529 T3 or MBT 111984
G529 T3 or MBT 120745
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Post by nick peters » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:18 am

Fair enough Remco. But have you asked Chuck If he will share his list?
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Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:36 pm

Remko...

I would like to add your trailers to my data base, so if you can send me all the info on each one and maybe a pic of the ACM number and the Data Plate and maybe even a partial USA number, that will add to my data base and make estimating the info some guys are missing that much more precise.

While I do have a lot of trailers listed, not that many have the data plate, ACM number and USA number so much of them are estimates. I sometimes have the data plate and ACM, sometimes the data plate only, sometimes the ACM only...but when compared to other examples in my data base it is possible to estimate the missing info for a given trailer.

There is no online site, no "estimator" for the G529s missing data and the bottom line is that after seeing how crazy the G503 Serial Number List has gotten, I don't want what I have done to become estimates based upon estimates. Unless you know much about the GPW or MB, you may never know if what someone has posted is the REAL data plate info or the real USA number or even if their post is based on the frame number or the motor number (GPWs) or in the MB situation, if the frame tag is original or the data plate info is based on the tub number or what...

As I get more guys to send me their trailer info, I can add to the data base and IMPROVE estimates from months or years previously. That is why I always tell guys to check back with me as they approach the completion of their trailer restoration be because it is always possible I have received another trailer or two that can cause me to revise an earlier estimate.

Generally speaking, most guys who have only the ACM number and the answers to this list of answers to even tell a Bantam from an MBT or a GEMCO or anything else are very happy to have the estimates of the missing data plate info and USA number that I can provide.
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Post by nick peters » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:27 pm

Hey Chuck
That's a good enough answer. I know what you mean about the jeep data base it's all over the place (in my opinion). I'm more than happy with the info you gave me regarding my Gemco :)
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Post by qI_WaRReN_Ip » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:11 am

Hello Chuck

Gaétan I'm French

I bought a Willys MBT trailer next to Grenoble on France.

I would like to know the USA number, the serial number with DOD number

1) no dataplate
2) none found
3) ACM # 25475 W
4) cotter pin with casher
5) cast center section
6) 8 spring type Willys
7) no light
8) no tailight mount
9) none round
10) not visible
11) none round

Thank you for the aide
Scout-Car M3A1 - Février 1943
Willys MB - Avril 1943
Willys MBT -

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by 5280BeltFed » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:16 am

here are the answers to the best of my ability, thank you for any help!
1) Data Plate: None present
2) USA Number: None present
3) ACM Number: 70803
[/i]4) Upper Shock Mount: cotter-pin type, BOLTED to the frame, LOWER shock is cotter-pin.
5) Is the axel a straight tube
6) Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Eight, flattened "U" shape, the spring clips bottom
7) Taillights & Reflectors: What is the mfg of the taillight buckets and doors? None
8) Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted to the tub
9)None
10) Bolts: Check the markings AA, A and none
11) Unit Numbers: None
017F484E-73D6-4C8C-8549-903A5845D97A.jpeg
Found this mark, that’s about it!
Thanks Chuck

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by nick peters » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:27 am

That S mark on the hook seems to appears on both Willys and Bantam trailers both early and later. Wonder if it's a contracted manufacturer company's trade mark ?
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by rob1 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:39 am

Hello Chuck. There are few year. You said me that my Bantam is an early november 42 but not the day. After lot of research I finded this Day on offcial document of French Domaines. It's 28-11-42, is it possible to receive the USA number ? The fotos are page 10
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Post by rob1 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:11 pm

rob1 wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:39 am
Erratum precedent message.
Hello Chuck. There are few year. You said me that my Bantam is an early november 42 but not the day. After lot of research I finded this Day on offcial document of French Domaines. It's 28-11-42,. The À M number is 16249 B. I don't know the serial number and the USA number ? Is it possible to receive those information.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:07 pm

I'm not able to do much now after surgery, give me another 3-4 weeks, guys and I will try to help you all out.
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