How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:36 pm

Chuck

What is FILO/LIFO ?
First on Line out
Last in first Out
I suppose

Does she have a number or date of production ?
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Post by nick peters » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:04 am

Hey Chuck
Thanks for the clarification :) don't worry about the glasses :wink:
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Post by Micawber » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:21 am

Thanks very much Chuck. Will PM you my info :)
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:37 am

Chuck

If i can help you here is a new informations about my last Bantam Listed before.

As you can see on pics all the wings support are welded on frame like a the taillight bracket and are not bolted.

Here some pics on front panel with scripted find today: USA 020241

What do you think ?

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Post by Johan WILLAERT » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:08 am

Greg hanson wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:37 am
Chuck

If i can help you here is a new informations about my last Bantam Listed before.
Hi Greg,
I see you're back online, could you answer my PM please?
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:07 pm

Greg....

The best estimate for your Bantam with an ACM number of 17369B would be as follows:

Serial Number...…….5488
DOD...…………………...11/9/42 (Nov. 9th)
USA Number...……….02544922

I know that the USA you found was 020241 but that would be one digit short....Zero plus six digits... Second contract Bantams, of which this is one, began with 0253934.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:46 am

Thank so much Chuck

I will restaure it know


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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:27 am

I make a mistake on my WD first

Its not a 020241 but i find on rear panel « USA 020391 »


Chuck, Only 6 digits not 7
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Wouter » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:51 am

Chuck,

ACM 52902
Wouter wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:22 am
1) Data Plate: If yours is present, what is the info stamped on it? How many "fields" are available for stamping info?
info Stamped: make and model: blank
Serial Number 22885
Date of Delivery 6 29 43
Parts list XXXX - XXXX 5P - AB14
Maintenance manual XXXXXXXXXXX 5P AB-1

X is stamped over plate number (Canadian manual)

2) USA Number: Wet sand an upper corner area to see how many coats of paint are on the rear panel. Then SLOWLY wet sand right under the rear top hook to find the "USA", in doing that you will now know what to look for when you sand just above the lower frame rail looking for the eight numbers usually found on the rear panel...you may find White or Blue paint used here.
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3) ACM Number: American Central MFG. made the tub/frame assembly. They put a number on the gusset plate under the left front spring hanger so remove it and wire-wheel the gusset looking for numbers about 7/16" in height. You may find a "B" or "W" in front, behind or below the number.
To be confirmed
4) Upper Shock Mount: Is it threaded or cotter-pin type? Is it RIVETED or BOLTED to the frame? Is the LOWER shock mount threaded or cotter-pin?
5) Is the axel a straight tube, with a welded seam in the middle or does it have a center cast section?
6) Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Eight or ten? Standard FLAT Willys type or a flattened "U" shape? Are the spring clips with the closure on the top or the bottom?
7) Taillights & Reflectors: What is the mfg of the taillight buckets and doors? What about the reflector bezels? Check to see if the reflectors have the bolt HEADS inside the tub. See if they have any lead washers on them.
To be confirmed
8) Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted to the tub or welded on?
9) Numbers: Look on the top or sides of the drawbars, check the edge of the front of the tub where the handbrake is bolted and look on the left side of the frame near the front of the trailer frame. Any numbers stamped there?
To be confirmed
10) Bolts: Check the markings (if any) on the bolt heads on the fenders or other bolts on the trailer. (A, AA, EC, BC or others or none?)
To be confirmed
11) Unit Numbers: Most outfits did NOT mark the rear frame beneath the tub with the unit info but some did. Wet sand this area carefully also, there may be several coats of paint and several units markings!
To be Confirmed

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:52 pm

Wooter….any chance a GOOD set of pics can be posted?

Best estimate on your USA Number would be 0271618
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Johan WILLAERT » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:12 pm

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:52 pm
Wooter….any chance a GOOD set of pics can be posted?

Best estimate on your USA Number would be 0271618
I am currently restoring this trailer with a friend who purchased this trailer from Wouter (who's also a friend).
We didn't find any trace of a USA blue drab number on the trailer..
A while ago I enquired if Canadian contract trailer such as this one, which came with an altered dataplate with canadian manual numbers, the longer and heavier springs and tandem hitch and socket kit were supplied with a USA number and the answer was most likely not...
The consensus was that the trailer was delivered to the Canadians without USA number and had a CX number painted on the rear panel...
The number we chose for the rear panel is CX4252902 which falls into the group of numbers described in Lloyd White's books and is a reference to the ACM body number because we thought that was a nice touch..

Now should we put a blue drab number underneath the Canadian CX number???

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:09 pm

I think trailers specifically built for the Canadian Contract would not have had a Blue Drab USA Number on them as that would signify acceptance by US military forces. We do know that the Australians received trailers from the US military forces that DID have a Blue Drab number because they were taken from production destined for US forces. The difference being one is a separate contract from the US gov't and the latter one being more or less supplying our allies in the field with US equipment.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Johan WILLAERT » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:47 am

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:09 pm
I think trailers specifically built for the Canadian Contract would not have had a Blue Drab USA Number on them as that would signify acceptance by US military forces. We do know that the Australians received trailers from the US military forces that DID have a Blue Drab number because they were taken from production destined for US forces. The difference being one is a separate contract from the US gov't and the latter one being more or less supplying our allies in the field with US equipment.
Thx, Chuck!

Will post photos when it is done… Just needs painting and assembly now...
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Huffman D50546 (1942)
Westfield Columbia MG138969 & MG140418 (1943)
HD 42WLA31854 (1943)
Ford GPW272xxx (1945)
Bantam T3 56433(Est) (1945)
John Wood M3A4 17564 (1943)
Johnston Lawn Mower Co RL35-A 1255 (1944)
BSA Mark V* T136102 (1944)
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by DOUBLEKKNIGHT@AOL » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:16 pm

HELLO CHUCK,
HERE IS MY TRAILER INFO.
1. A,B,C,D, NONE
2. NONE
3. 32353 W
4. COTTERPIN/UPPERRIVETED TO FRAME
5. SMOOTH SOLID TUBE
6. LEAF COUNT 10 SHAPE OF LEAF FLAT
7. REPRODUCTION
8. REPRODUCTION BOLTED ON
9. NONE
10. NONE
11. NONE
SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION -IT HAS COMBAT WHEELS, THE LUNETTE DIAMETER OF SHAFT IS 1-1/2. DIAMETEROF RING STOCK IS 4-1/2. ID OF THE RING IS 2".
THANKS KEVIN

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Post by Chuck Lutz » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:44 pm

I would like to keep from running this forum "How To" post up so in the interest of brevity, please just email me any questions you may have and if you need assistance with missing data on your G529 WWII 1/4 Ton trailer, just send your answers to the question I listed above and your photos directly to:
cwl1948@comcast.net

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