How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

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Post by JimT » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:15 am

ImageI am now serious about selling this trailer and have a price on it of $1400. Here is the link to my Craigslist ad. https://denver.craigslist.org/tro/d/lit ... 53913.html If you want it I am open to offers but Cash only and it must be picked up in Denver.
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I have had this trailer for years and was going to restore it but I am running out of time. I also don't have a WW2 Jeep to tow it so I have decided to sell it to someone who can restore it and treat it with the respect it deserves. For more information look for posts under JimT.
Price is undetermined as of yet. I'm not going to give it away but I'm also not unreasonable and will listen to offers. Your plans for the trailer may influence my price. Contact me if you are interested.

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Hi Jim...

I checked the ACM number you provided against the USA number you posted and they certainly DO line up where they should if they were original to one another. If I add in the "5774" as the serial number it makes even MORE sense. I don't know how you got the complete USA off the rear of the trailer but it fits nice!

I would suggest you have a very original Bantam trailer that a WWII jeeper would love to have. If you aren't interested in restoring it to it's former glory, I think you would have several guys who would live to have it behind their jeep!

Here is what I think you have:
Bantam
Serial Number.......5774
DOD...................11/13/42
USA Number.........0254607

You would need period correct reflectors and inserts and correct taillight buckets, a wiring harness and a BO Light switch. Add a landing leg bracket and landing leg and get the handbrake and cable working and add that thin lunette, find some combat rims/tires and you have a winner there!

Of course a complete teardown, blasting, priming and painting will complete the resto. Heck, the chains look to be original, you have the handbrake, taillight brackets and unless the floor is like Swiss Cheese,,,,that's going to be one fine trailer.

Check the web for Robert de Ruyter in the Netherlands for the best data plates on the planet. try "dataplates4u". Just give him the serial number and DOD and he will know which plate to use and...he can stamp it with the correct fonts and spacing on the fields for you. Remember the heads of the rivets go inside the tub!

I have a new data plate from Robert de Ruyter.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Richard B » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:20 am

Hi Chuck,

Got this Bantam ex Dutch Army, found ACM nr 59282. Would love to know more date, serial nr etc if possible

Regards
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1) Data Plate: none
2) USA Number: none
3) ACM Number: 59282
4) Upper Shock Mount: pin type to body,. BOLTED to the frame, the LOWER shock mount threaded
5) Is the axel a straight tube, yes
6) Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Eight. Standard FLAT Willys type, the spring clips with the closure on the top or the bottom
7) Taillights & Reflectors: none
8) Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted.
9) Numbers: Look on the top or sides of the drawbars, check the edge of the front of the tub where the handbrake is bolted and look on the left side of the frame near the front of the trailer frame. Any numbers stamped there? later...
10) Bolts: much altered in metric..
11) Unit Numbers: none

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:30 am

Hi Chuck

An other original barn find
I found it to Biarritz in south west of France

Its an original full frame rebuilt because it more longer (15cm) than standard 1/4 Ton.


1) Data Plate: none
2) USA Number: none
3) ACM Number: 106827
4) Upper Shock Mount: pin type to body,. BOLTED to the frame, the LOWER shock mount cotter pin too
5) the axel is a straight tube
6) Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Ten. Standard FLAT Willys type, the spring clips with the closure on the top or the bottom
7) Taillights & Reflectors: none
8) Taillight Mounts: None
9) Numbers: Look on the top or sides of the drawbars, check the edge of the front of the tub where the handbrake is bolted and look on the left side of the frame near the front of the trailer frame. None
10) Bolts: much altered in metric..
11) Unit Numbers: none

-original Wagner plug and socket fixes under thé frame with original lezard wire. I dont know why!!
- original safety chains and hook TH - TP-2
- original lunette
- Ford tire support

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I think it was an MBT

Thanks for you’re help.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:02 pm

Richard:

I can only give you a rough estimate as I don't have any trailers with more complete info like the data plate or the original USA number, but here goes:
Willys MB-T
Serial Number...…..35311
DOD.....………………..August 1943
USA Number...……..0235589

Can you send me the city/state or country you live in and complete name for my records please?
Chuck Lutz

GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
GPW 108552 4/17/43 Louisville, KY. USA 20371278 (DOD est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3 4582 10/29/42 USA 0173499 (est.)

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:06 pm

Greg:

That is quite the trailer....while the frame is G529, it is missing the hole for the black-out light but has an ACM number. The tub is probably either a military modification or a farmer's modification. Like the one above, I can only give you some rough estimates of the missing info:

Willys MB-T
Serial Number.........62888
DOD.....................March 1944
USA Number...........0632031

That's the best I can come up with. Perhaps someone in Europe has seen this type of trailer before and can identify it as a post war military modification. I think that is the most likely scenario as it has a lot of details on it that a farmer might not bother with.
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GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
GPW 108552 4/17/43 Louisville, KY. USA 20371278 (DOD est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3 4582 10/29/42 USA 0173499 (est.)


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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:27 pm

Thanks so much Chuck

But Check the frame it not an original frame, full rebuilt .

It not an American Frame 😉

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:46 pm

Enough of the original ACM frame is there because it still has the ACM number is there and certainly looks EXACTLY like the font that ACM used to number the frames! I don't know of any other trailer design that has the ACM that looks even CLOSE to the G529. That one is a real oddball!
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GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
GPW 108552 4/17/43 Louisville, KY. USA 20371278 (DOD est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3 4582 10/29/42 USA 0173499 (est.)

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by DOUBLEKKNIGHT@AOL » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:32 am

IM LOOKING FOR MORE INFO ON A TRAILER I HAVE. IT CAME FROM MINNESOTA AND WAS NOT REGISTERED.
1 A B C D NONE.
2 NONE,
3 NONE
4 32353W
5 NONE
6 SMOTH SOLID TUBE
7 COTTER PIN/ UPPER RIVETED TO FRAME
8 LEAF COUNT 10 SHAPE OF LEAF FLATE
9 DIAMETER BEHIND RING 1 1/2.
DIAMETER OF RING STOCK 4 1/2
ID OF RING 2
10 DRAW BAR NUMBERS NONE
11 BOLTED
12 CHAINS NUMBERS OF LINKS 12
SIZE OF LINKS 2-1/6
2 CAST ENDS AND 2 HOOKS
13 STOP PIN HOLES 37
14 NONE
15 REPRODUCTION
16 REPRODUCTION
17 COMBAT
18 NONE
19 NONE
THANKS KEVIN
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Micawber » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:11 am

I just took delivery and this trailer which was imported from California some six years ago. It came as a package with a '43 MB but I believe the trailer was purchased in the San Fransisco area in the 1990's and paired with the Jeep from then on.

1) Data Plate: none
2) USA Number: none
3) ACM Number: 21402W
4) Upper Shock Mount: pin type to body,. Welded to frame. Riveted too. Pin shock absorber mounts with cotter / split pins
5) Axle is split nd has a cast joining piece in the middle
6) Springs: How many leaves in the springs? Eight. Some have a chamfered profile.
7) Taillights & Reflectors: None
8) Taillight Mounts: Two L brackets
9) Numbers: Look on the top or sides of the drawbars, check the edge of the front of the tub where the handbrake is bolted and look on the left side of the frame near the front of the trailer frame. None
10) Bolts: Mixed.
11) Unit Numbers: None

- Some military loom present terminating in military lamp connectors at the lamp end. Other end has ring terminals but does not reach beyond edge of frame.
- One original safety chain and hook, provision for another.
- Looks like original lunette
- Split rims
-No tailgate

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Ken Creason » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:34 pm

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You should be able to add photos now; I have removed the "newly registered user" restriction...
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Micawber » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:15 pm

Ken Creason wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:34 pm
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I have a load of photos but am having trouble attaching them to this post. I'll save this and try to adit in the photos later
You should be able to add photos now; I have removed the "newly registered user" restriction...
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by rjbeamer » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:03 pm

Wow. Nice Trailer. Looks like a keeper.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Ken Creason » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:50 am

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Many thanks Ken. Was a member years ago but the username escapes me and I have new email addresses now.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Greg hanson » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:54 am

Hi Micawber

Very NICE trailer....😉

But i ask me some questions for my own culture.

it look like a rebuilt, it seem ? No ? Or sorry if i make a mistake 🤨

I said that because the floor look like new, and all the panels.

Do you have a pic from the front rivet on the frame near handbrake ?

Does the tailight L bracket are bolted or welded to the frame ?

There is no tarp rope hook on the front panel ?

Does it have the four hole for the data plate on front panel ?

It look like an early MBT with W on the ITM and center cast axle.

If i make a mistake....it’s a very nice early MBT 😉

Very good find, she’s look like NOS 😁😁😁

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Micawber » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:58 pm

Ken Creason wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:50 am
Micawber wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:15 pm
Many thanks Ken. Was a member years ago but the username escapes me and I have new email addresses now.
Do you remember anything about your old account? The username or email account or just a part of them I could search on? I can update the email address to recover that account if you want to...
I'll drop you a message in the week Ken. I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday though :lol:

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