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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:56 pm
by Chuck Lutz
sam/boremop…


Send me the rest of the info when you can get to it, especially the ACM number. You have to unbolt the left front spring hanger from the gusset plate on the frame and wire wheel the gusset plate to reveal the ACM number and the "B" that will preceed, follow, be over or under the number. It will probably be right around 5000 give or take.

If you email me all that with a pic of the ACM that would be helpful....name and city for my records as well please.

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:36 pm
by Jeepy78
Dear Chuck ,

Thanks for your reply .
The problem I have is that the trailer had a long life within the french army , it has been sold by them only 2 years ago .
It is a nightmare to retrieve the story of these . I saw a post mentionning an "ITM" number . when you see a number like this , it is the end of the story as the trailer ( and it is the same with the jeeps !) have been taken off into single pieces ,and rebuilted using the pieces without paying attention on "where" it came from .
It is the way Us engineers made the jeeps, it si the way french army used them ! :D
My jeep is one of them … made of Ford , Willys and also Hotchkiss ( Willys overland France)
As far as the trailer is concerned , I'm a lucky one , as it is one of a few that has been rebuilt in a "civilian" factory , and they did not dismanteled it completly so I presume it is like a "matching number " one.

So welded brackets ? I can see scars that could be from welded brackets , but I can be wrong . I'll send you pictures soon if needed.
For french military vehicule , it is oftenly impossible to date it based on single details . the only "for sure" info I have is the ACM number I send a picture of : W 20 426 .

Other details could be confusing I'm afraid …. 75 years in use in the french army !!
But if you wish , I can send as many pictures as you want for your database .
You are my last chance to find out information on this trailer, even if partial, it would be be so much appreciated
Many thanks for your help .
Best Regards.

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:15 am
by Jeepy78
Dear Chuck,
I had a close look at the brackets , and I guess your are right :bolted , not welded ! there a so many scares on it , from army updates within the years that it is hard to be sure .

Please find more pictures of it .
The first one shows a number that is , what I Believe to be a serial number given by the french Army , but just in case it is not !
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Does that help ?
Many thanks for your help
Regards

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:10 am
by James Hybicki
PER WES KNETTLE APPROXIMATE USA# IS 0262267.

owner: Donald Hybicki
location: Wisconsin

1. Data plate info:
A. BantamT3
B. 13434
C. 3-1-43

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6. middle weld
7. threaded, riveted to frame
8. 8 leaf, Willys type spring clip on bottom, flat leaf
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12. 12 links on chain on hitch
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15. Corcoran/ Brown, nut inside
16. bolted on angle
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Jim Hybicki
262-232-3983

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:26 pm
by Chuck Lutz
Jeepy....

This is why I encourage those who have a trailer with the data plate removed to check the frame, the drawbars and the front lip of the tub for any stampings which I can compare along with the ACM number to my data base.

I am happy to inform you that when I check your ACM number in the range of serial numbers...that "14056" works PERFECTLY in the "14xxx" serial number range! I would not hesitate for one second to use that on a new data plate. That would be a November 1942 DOD and a good USA number would be "0215747".

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:29 pm
by Chuck Lutz
James...that USA number is what I show in my data base for that trailer as well.

However, can you ask Donald what the ACM number is? It should fall into the 37xxx range if that helps.

Thanks!

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:28 am
by Jeepy78
Dear Chuck,
Many thanks for your reply and feed back .
I really thought this number did mean anything as I was told willys Numbers stated from 52000 to 60000

anyway , thanks a lot for your reply
Best regards

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:01 pm
by Frankie
1) Data Plate: ORDNANCE DEP, SN 26811, DoD 8-13-43. 4 fields
2) USA Number: 2074144
3) ACM Number: 62372
4) Upper Shock Mount: threaded, BOLTED to frame LOWER shock mount threaded
5) Axle a straight tube, with a welded seam in the middle
6) Springs: Eight leaves, flattened "U" shape? spring clips with the closure on the top
7) Taillights & Reflectors: taillight buckets are non-miitary replacements What about the reflector bezels? Reflectors have the Round Head Machine Screws w/HEADS inside the tub. Lead washers not known.
8) Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted to the tub
9) Numbers: Look on the top or sides of the drawbars, check the edge of the front of the tub where the handbrake is bolted and look on the left side of the frame near the front of the trailer frame. Any numbers stamped there? No markings noted
10) Bolts: No markings found
11) Unit Numbers: Markings exist but not legible
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:29 pm
by Chuck Lutz
Looks like...0274114 to me....and it drops right into my spreadsheet like it should using the data plat and USA number as such.

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:56 pm
by Frankie
For Chuck: I’m going with 2074144, based on the distance between the first 41 and then 14. The gap between the 14 is too wide to be 11. In addition, the number 1 has serifs top and bottom whereas the 4 has the top left corner of the vertical bar cut at an angle, which 2074144 has. Also consider the following. I saw where you had given information on another T3, SN 27300, which is 489 numbers after mine, with USA nr 489 higher than mine (2074144) . On 1 Apr this year, you gave 27300 DoD Aug 10, three days earlier than mine. Not disputing your information, but isn't that unusual? Possible typo? Any possible explanation? Thanks, Frank

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:23 pm
by Chuck Lutz
No...I agree that 0274144 will work just fine. Can you direct me to the post for that 27300 T3 you mentioned please? Which thread and who was requesting info? thanks.

Can you send me full name/city/state for my records?

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:52 pm
by Frankie
For Chuck: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=296028

Frank Zimmerman, Junction City, KS

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:39 am
by Chuck Lutz
Frankie....

My data base is only partially taken from actual records. For the most part I have had info passed on to me to enable me to construct serial numbers and DODs based on where an ACM falls into the existing data. The months of July and August do not, as I said in that post to Tony, have enough actual complete data plate info which is why estimating #27300 at that time was the best I could do. As I get additional info from data plates and ACM numbers and the occasional USA numbers many of the estimates I have made in the past could be improved upon. This is also why I ask those who get an estimate for their trailer based on an ACM number to check back with me as their restoration nears finishing to see if I can improve the estimates I gave them. This is the situation for Tony's and several others who had only an ACM number which resulted in a more difficult estimate from me.


I'm not guaranteeing very many unless the owners discover a serial number stamped somewhere or a complete USA number and have found the ACM number. It is a combination of 2 out of 3 of those that gives me a clue to the missing data plate info. It isn't perfect....but it is better than nothing which is what many trailer owners had to start with. You have more than most because you have the data plate and ACM number.

Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:47 am
by cripp
Hi Chuck,
Can you give any info on my friends trailer.
There is a data plate but it's a blank repro. No original usa numbers.

ACM No; 98702
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:36 pm
by Chuck Lutz
Paul...

I just don't have any Bantam's with ACM numbers close to this one so this is only a fair estimate of the missing info.

Bantam
Serial Number...….41788
DOD...………………...1-11-44 (Jan 11)
USA Number...…….0457321

That's the best I can do...I wish more guys who have trailer projects or who have them finished would send me the data plate pic and the ACM number pic and if they have an original or partial original USA number....I could tidy up many of these estimates.!