How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:25 am

vargento wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:54 am
Hi everybody,
like the two previous members I write from Italy. I've a Bantam trailer ex Italian Army. The conditions are unbelievably good but the trailer has been largely abused by the Italian Army. The most relevant modifications are the shock absorbers. They cut off the original upper mounts in order to place a lever type, possibly from a GMC truck. The lower mounts have cotter pin.

1) Data Plate: Missing
2) USA Number: None
3) ACM Number: 15307 B
4) Upper Shock Mount missing. This trailer has been modified with lever dampers
5) Axle one piece
6) Springs: 7 leafs
7) Taillights & Reflectors: Missing.
8) Taillight Mounts: Missing
9) Numbers: None
10) Bolts: No marks, AA, BC.
11) Unit Numbers: None

Any idea about DOD (end of March 1943?), serial number and registration number?

Thanks
Vittorio


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From Chuck Lutz,

approximate info:
Serial number: 3877
DOD 10/25/42
USA # 0172895
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:28 am

JeyParis wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:07 am
Dear All,
I have a trailer who looks like Philippe's one (lauvergnat) and I want to know if it's Willys or Bantam.
Here the details:
1/ the plate is not the original one, so no information
2/ the trailer was repainted so I haven't the USA number
3/ ACM number : 12579W
4/ upper shock mount : bolted, it seems
5/ the axel is a straight tube with a welded seam in the middle
6/ springs : I had the surprise to see that I have 8 leaves on a side and 10 on the other side
7/ the reflectors are not the original ones... Taillight Mounts: Standard brackets are bolted to the tub
8/ i forgot to look for all the numbers but I have one on the side of the drawbar : 10349
9/ bolts : nothing particular
10/ no unit numbers

Here are some pictures. If someone can confirm that it's a Willys and could help me giving me a DOD :D
IMG_3596.JPG
IMG_3696.JPG
IMG_3697.JPG
IMG_3698.JPG
IMG_3699.JPG
IMG_3700.JPG
IMG_3701.JPG
IMG_3702.JPG
IMG_3703.JPG
IMG_3704.JPG
IMG_4573.HEIC
IMG_4574.HEIC

From Chuck Lutz
Approximate USA # 0167540
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB

Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:31 am

Hal Joyce wrote:
Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:18 am
Here is my MBT trailer info, my trailer is completely disassembled, stalled out temporarily on restoration and working on MB. Any registration number help you can add would be deeply appreciated, Thanks Hal Joyce

A. MBT Willys
B. 11539
C. 11/42
2. S/N02213__(23?)
3. S/N02213__(23?)
4. 16748W
5. Came off of New Mexico Military Institute in Roswell New Mexico s/n stamped on left draw bar NMM260000157
6. Cast center axle
7. Drilled shaft for cotter pin, yes.
8. Leaf count is 8 both sides
9. Original, Bubba cut off ring & welded a ball hitch on, but I purchased a supposed original for replacement.
10. Draw bar casting numbers “v”type “u” channel A6368 leg support
11. How is draw bar crossmember attached? Bolted on!
12. Safety chains 9 short 5/16x1-19/32, links, 2 long 5/16x2” links for each chain. Numbers on cast end attachments hooks, one hook broken other missing, Tp-2 on bolted attachments.
13. Landing leg casting 3 holes on stop pin. Any numbers G inside a square box then a large A!
14. B/o switch identity and how many?
15. Identify reflectors Do-ray Oblong and lens missing, I removed them years ago, and lead washers were installed, at one time, but not now!
16. Identify tail lights by C-B mfg & mount bolted.
17. One solid and one combat rim
18. Bolt head markings, none!
19. No noticeable modifications other than tailgate fold down installed and unknown if done by bubba or Military school?
From Chuck Lutz
USA # is 0213230 based on another trailer with a serial number just a few numbers from yours.
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by vargento » Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:24 am

Thanks a lot!!
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Vittorio Argento
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sn 238476
dod 3 June 1943
1944 MB Willys
sn 351501
dod 15 July 1944

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Dave86 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:52 am

Hi all
I had already written in the past to get trailer information ,someone can help me please
1 Data Plate: Missing
2. USA Number:
3. ACM Number: 87866
4. Shock Mount: Upper cotter-pin type
5. Is the axle: Straight tube, no seam.
6. Springs: Eight. Beveled willys style
7. Taillights & Reflectors: missing.
8. Taillight Mounts: Missing, bolt patern.
9. Numbers: none
10. Bolts: A , AA , flat
11. Unit Numbers none

Best regards
Davide

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Sweaving » Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:51 am

Hi all, I am also trying to get more info on my trailer. I have the following details.

1) no data plate but Is top right 4 holes.
2) no USA number, but I do have USMC 11407? The last digit is very hard to see. ( picture is upside down!)
3) frame number is 151134, but I could not find any letter stamp.
4) damper mounts are threaded top and bottom. And bolted to the frame.
5) the axle is one straight tube. (There is not a center weld or a cast piece)
6) 10 leaf springs with top closed clasp.
7) arrow type reflectors with bolt head to the inside. And tail light bracket is bolted on.
8)
9)I cannot find any additional stamped numbers.
10) bolt heads some are EC marked others are plain.

Thank you all.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Bill H. » Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:23 pm

Sweaving wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:51 am
Hi all, I am also trying to get more info on my trailer. I have the following details.

1) no data plate but Is top right 4 holes.
2) no USA number, but I do have USMC 11407? The last digit is very hard to see. ( picture is upside down!)
3) frame number is 151134, but I could not find any letter stamp.
4) damper mounts are threaded top and bottom. And bolted to the frame.
5) the axle is one straight tube. (There is not a center weld or a cast piece)
6) 10 leaf springs with top closed clasp.
7) arrow type reflectors with bolt head to the inside. And tail light bracket is bolted on.
8)
9)I cannot find any additional stamped numbers.
10) bolt heads some are EC marked others are plain.

Thank you all.
Chuck Lutz is no longer a member here.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Sweaving » Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:09 pm

Hi Bill, I understand he is no longer a member but I am putting the information out to the genral forum for help. If this Is not the correct place to post then please delete. Should I just create a new thread? As I still need to track down my trailer info!

Kind regards
Steve

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Hammerhead » Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:16 am

It was real sadness I read that Chuck Lutz was no longer on the "G". His contributions to the knowledge base was incredible. He helped me and MANY others in our quest for information and accurate markings for these remarkable MBT's and Bantam trailers. He will be greatly missed.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Remko » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:50 pm

Hammerhead wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:16 am
It was real sadness I read that Chuck Lutz was no longer on the "G". His contributions to the knowledge base was incredible. He helped me and MANY others in our quest for information and accurate markings for these remarkable MBT's and Bantam trailers. He will be greatly missed.
I know Chuck from this forum since the beginning.
He provided me several times with data on trailers.

I'll try to get his database of trailer data. This should be way more than my 50 MBT, 40 T3 and a few other mfg's data.

Let's see what happens.

i'll keep you all posted.

Cheers
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G529 Bantam T3 B50633 CX 5713957 serial# 20556 d.o.d. 03-01-1943 (est) With original tandem hitch and 10CWT conversion.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Remko » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:54 pm

sjalbert wrote:
Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:28 am
JeyParis wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:07 am
Dear All,
I have a trailer who looks like Philippe's one (lauvergnat) and I want to know if it's Willys or Bantam.
Here the details:
1/ the plate is not the original one, so no information
2/ the trailer was repainted so I haven't the USA number
3/ ACM number : 12579W
4/ upper shock mount : bolted, it seems
5/ the axel is a straight tube with a welded seam in the middle
6/ springs : I had the surprise to see that I have 8 leaves on a side and 10 on the other side
7/ the reflectors are not the original ones... Taillight Mounts: Standard brackets are bolted to the tub
8/ i forgot to look for all the numbers but I have one on the side of the drawbar : 10349
9/ bolts : nothing particular
10/ no unit numbers

Here are some pictures. If someone can confirm that it's a Willys and could help me giving me a DOD :D
IMG_3596.JPG
IMG_3696.JPG
IMG_3697.JPG
IMG_3698.JPG
IMG_3699.JPG
IMG_3700.JPG
IMG_3701.JPG
IMG_3702.JPG
IMG_3703.JPG
IMG_3704.JPG
IMG_4573.HEIC
IMG_4574.HEIC

From Chuck Lutz
Approximate USA # 0167540
Addition from me.

Date of delivery est. 10--42
Remko

G503 1943 MB
G622 198628 (matching) U.S.N 107917 (04-15-44 Louisville KY)
G529 Bantam T3 B50633 CX 5713957 serial# 20556 d.o.d. 03-01-1943 (est) With original tandem hitch and 10CWT conversion.
G529 Bantam T3 120745
G529 Willys MBT 111984 (sold)

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Remko » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:07 pm

Sweaving wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:51 am
Hi all, I am also trying to get more info on my trailer. I have the following details.

1) no data plate but Is top right 4 holes.
2) no USA number, but I do have USMC 11407? The last digit is very hard to see. ( picture is upside down!)
3) frame number is 151134, but I could not find any letter stamp.
4) damper mounts are threaded top and bottom. And bolted to the frame.
5) the axle is one straight tube. (There is not a center weld or a cast piece)
6) 10 leaf springs with top closed clasp.
7) arrow type reflectors with bolt head to the inside. And tail light bracket is bolted on.
8)
9)I cannot find any additional stamped numbers.
10) bolt heads some are EC marked others are plain.

Thank you all.
ACM 151134 would be a very late-war trailer.
Going by the threaded shock mounts it's a Bantam.

I have Bantam T3 ACM 145419 (data plate serial 72591 D.o.D. 6-?-45 (?=20) and USA 0951347 in my database.
No later additions as a record in my list.

Going by that they made 5864 from April 5th 45 till June 20 45
Think you can calculate the days it took to get to 151134 if the pace was steady. It is about the same and would end up around Sept. 3rd 45

Hope it helps.

Cheers
Remko

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G622 198628 (matching) U.S.N 107917 (04-15-44 Louisville KY)
G529 Bantam T3 B50633 CX 5713957 serial# 20556 d.o.d. 03-01-1943 (est) With original tandem hitch and 10CWT conversion.
G529 Bantam T3 120745
G529 Willys MBT 111984 (sold)

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by jeepmb44 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:24 am

Good morning Chuck,
I kindly ask you for help.
If you can, can you tell me the DOD and US number of my mbt trailer
52985 W.
Thank you in advance and best regards.
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Scrumps » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:57 am

Andrea,

Be advised, Chuck passed away recently.

I’m sure someone else will be along soon to advise on your trailer.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Remko » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:24 am

Scrumps wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:57 am
Andrea,

Be advised, Chuck passed away recently.

I’m sure someone else will be along soon to advise on your trailer.

Scrumps
Thats also what I read 2 or 3 weeks back.

Sad to hear he passed away.
I wonder what happens /happened to the database he collected.

Godspeed Chuck

Cheers
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G622 198628 (matching) U.S.N 107917 (04-15-44 Louisville KY)
G529 Bantam T3 B50633 CX 5713957 serial# 20556 d.o.d. 03-01-1943 (est) With original tandem hitch and 10CWT conversion.
G529 Bantam T3 120745
G529 Willys MBT 111984 (sold)


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