How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by JeyParis » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:38 am

sjalbert wrote:
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JeyParis wrote:
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Dear All,
I have a trailer who looks like Philippe's one (lauvergnat) and I want to know if it's Willys or Bantam.
Here the details:
1/ the plate is not the original one, so no information
2/ the trailer was repainted so I haven't the USA number
3/ ACM number : 12579W
4/ upper shock mount : bolted, it seems
5/ the axel is a straight tube with a welded seam in the middle
6/ springs : I had the surprise to see that I have 8 leaves on a side and 10 on the other side
7/ the reflectors are not the original ones... Taillight Mounts: Standard brackets are bolted to the tub
8/ i forgot to look for all the numbers but I have one on the side of the drawbar : 10349
9/ bolts : nothing particular
10/ no unit numbers
Your pictures didn't show (and didn't appear as links to me)

Your trailer is just a little older then mine viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552

My ACM number is 13092 and my serial number is 10968. The number stamped into the side of your drawbar is probably the serial number. If it were my trailer I would order a reproduction data plate from dataplates4u.com and have Robert stamp 10 42 for the date of delivery and 10349 for the serial number.

You've got a Bantam axle (mine had one as well).

Chuck suggested that I use "USA 0168533" as my USA number. Based on that yours would be on the order of "USA 0167914"
Thanks Seth, it helps me a lot.
I try to send the pictures again

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:06 pm

Still no joy on the photo's are you trying to load them in line or link to an external site? Mine are hosted on http://www.surfacezero.com/
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1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by JeyParis » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:36 am

sjalbert wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:06 pm
Still no joy on the photo's are you trying to load them in line or link to an external site? Mine are hosted on http://www.surfacezero.com/
Ok it works ;) here the link : http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/member. ... e=jeyparis
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:52 am

Great, I can see the pictures now.

I would have expected 10349 to have welded tail light brackets. Your tail light brackets don't look original to me.

My Oct '42 Trailer brackets look like this:
10968 Tail LIght Bracket.jpeg
My Dec '42 Trailer brackets look like this:
15799 Tail LIght Bracket.jpeg
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by JeyParis » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:11 am

As you know, in France, we had a lot of modifications after the war. Maybe this trailer was used by the French army, so they changed lights and tail lights brackets...
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:30 pm

Mounting hardware looks modern and the paint on the brackets doesn't look the same as the rest of the trailer. They were probably installed by the last civilian owner after the trailer was painted.
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1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Yiannis13 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:47 pm

You should email Chuck Lutz directly for information on this trailer. The estimated USA posted above is LOWER than what Seth has posted.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by sjalbert » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:29 pm

I believe that ************* is still a good e-mail address for Chuck
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1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by JeyParis » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:32 am

thank you guys, I just emailed him. I thought he would answer directly on the forum... :roll:
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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by LJBrzozka » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:28 am

Hi Chuck

I have just acquired what appears to be a Willys MBT trailer (based on your excellent write-up!). I am hoping to get a rough date and serial number to make up a new data plate. Having scrolled through this thread I have seen a few ACM numbers close to what I have. My guess is 4th Quarter of 1943 but any further insight would be ace!

1) No data plate. Looks like the original holes are there
2) USA 0475644 (some white paint over pale blue numbers)
3) 98771 (no letters)
4) Originally would have been a cotter pin but now has a treaded bolt. Mount is bolted to the frame. Lower is also threaded but there is a hole where it looks like a pin could go through
5) Welded centre axle
6) 8 leaves with spring closures underneath
7) No lights or reflectors present
8) Two holes either side for bolting the arms on
9) Can't find any numbers on the frame
10) Some bolts marked BO (may be BC)
11) There is something but it's too badly degraded to make out! There are several original-looking stars under the post war paint as well as some other white markings.

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Re: How To Identify a WWII MBT or Bantam 1/4 Ton Trailer

Post by Joel90 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:44 am

Hi Chuck,

I have recently started restoring what I believe to be an early bantam trailer. I am chasing a possible serial #, DOD and also a bit more clarity on the U.S.A number. Photos show what is legible of the number. In one photo I have chalked out what I think it might be but is still not complete.

1) Data Plate: Missing
2) USA Number: U.S.A visible. Partial number is visible
3) ACM Number: 14854 B
4) Upper Shock Mount Is threaded and Is RIVETED to the frame.
5) Axle is Missing
6) Springs: Springs Missing
7) Taillights & Reflectors: No taillights. Reflector bezels marked ARROW, Reflector Lens is Grotelite. Reflector screw heads inside the tub.
Taillight Mounts: Standard "L" brackets bolted welded on
9) Numbers: None
10) Bolts: Majority are marked AA
11) Unit Numbers: None
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