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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by lucakiki » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:13 am

Warbird kid, here are a couple of easy jobs that would greatly enhance the appearance of your MB/GPW.

Replace those garden clamps on your radiator hoses with a set of correct looking ones, and patiently repaint in OD the bezels of the dashboard instruments: the present black finish sticks out as a sore thumb.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Lester Senn » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:32 am

Warbird Kid,here is another easy correction job.You mentioned painting your radiator support rod,your rod is positioned wrong on the cowling end.If you look at Luca,s over head engine compartment picture you will see that the rod should run straight back to the cowl.It is almost in line with the spark plugs.The cowling hole should be near the second hood mount bolt from the drivers side not the third bolt like yours is.A quick fix for your father to do.Have fun with your project.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by The Raven » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:32 pm

Regarding those clamps Luca mentioned; there is correct then there is what works. I have correct and took some time and torque before they stopped dribbling. Some folks suggest goop on the mating ends to prevent this....but the same folks also admit the later hose clamps work the best. Unless you are showing it or caring what it looks like I would leave them as is. As you know there is form....then there is function.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by lucakiki » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:26 pm

Warbird Kid, if you are still with us and you are reading my unsolicited advice, you will wonder why I posted what I posted.
The fact is that from your posts I had the feeling that you and your father were interested in improving the details with simple jobs, in order to make your vehicle more appealing to the average jeep guy and erase the "quick make up in order to sell it" aspect inflicted to your vehicle by the person who "restored" it.
If I was wrong, just disregard my advice: let me tell you, though, that correct clamps work perfectly without damaging the hoses as the garden clamps do when overtightened, and are much more pleasant to the eye. OK? :)
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by The Raven » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:32 pm

He does have a point there....the "restoration" is a bit...um unresearched.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Jon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:40 pm

Nice jeep, has unlimited potential, congratulations to you and your Dad on the work so far.

Here's a photo of an original that may help explain Luca's point about the radiator stay rod.......it becomes obvious when you look at it.
Also...... Check the Parts_Colours Page for MB's under RADIATOR for the stay rod colour..
Radiator Stay Rod (From the firewall to the tag on the radiator top is Olive Drab) Not Marked.
Hope it helps.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by lawcdw » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:58 pm

A very nice project keep up he great work!!!!!!!!!!!!..CW

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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Warbird Kid » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:43 am

Thanks for all the advice and input. Luca I'm definitely going to be taking alot of your considerations into practice. Some like the clamps might take awhile. As we get into this project more and more (and as my father and I learn more about the Willys GPW models) the more we realize who restored this Jeep did not know the type well.

All aside, we are hoping to create a good balance of form and function. Stuff like the garden clamps don't bother us immediately, but will probably be replaced with more original ones eventually. Our main goal is to just get the thing running well, get temp plates on her, then get her completely registered. The rest is gravy.


Anyways onto some small updates! We tested the horn, and sounded just fine! But she looks a little rough, so off she came. (Only attached with one bolt :roll: )

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I'll be taking this to the shop to have it sandblasted (along with the air filter) and then both painted semigloss black.

On the day we brought this Jeep home, we had already ruined her. This black smudge of grease showed up. Anyone have any ideas on how to remove grease from canvas?

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Another big task to undertake was the inventory of all the parts that came with the Jeep.

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Box O' Mystery

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A couple of neat items that we're included in the buy, was an WWII US Infantry foxhole shovel and pick axe.

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Looks like she was used

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And of course the pile of miscellaneous parts. Anyone want to identify?

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We also have a set of brackets for the canvas top. We have the frame and what you see here. Anyone know what we're missing?

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We also added an extra light in the garage (over the engine compartment) just to see a little easier.

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Some other things we did today was to reroute the parking brake cable. This is looking much better, considering how badly the cable was rubbing on the drive shaft before.

We also reversed the linkage bolt connecting the clutch. Again it was improperly installed.

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All in all not a bad day. Things to still do is bleed the brakes some more to see if we can get the pedal up. If we don't see any success, then we'll have to consider replacing the master cylinder.



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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by The Raven » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:34 am

It is funny, on my jeep I smile when I get something like grease spots on my canvas. I call it character and a story.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by sjalbert » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:03 pm

Don't spend any money on the horn. It's so wrong you wouldn't even find it a motor pool.

In the miscellaneous parts photo I see
Top Row: a horn bracket (OD part, attaches to the firewall), a pair of door strap brackets w/ bolts, possibly a speedometer mounting bracket, an unknown piece of metal
Next Row: a horn wire, an unknown strap, a door strap eye bolt, an Ax handle bracket, another unknown piece of metal, possibly a wire junction
I can't see any of the bagged parts clearly and I'm sure that your dad identified the oil filter wrench :)

He doesn't by any chance work for UTAS? He looks like somebody I've met out there.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Jon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:17 pm

Remove the parts from the plastic baggies and take a closer photo......

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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Mark Tombleson » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:02 pm

sjalbert wrote:Don't spend any money on the horn. It's so wrong you wouldn't even find it a motor pool.

Back up a bit on that horn issue, Seth... until we know what it is.

I'm cutting and pasting here guys... sorry. :|

That looks like a short horn to me.

It could be a 1945-47 WO-A-17378 Horn assembly, (SPW-B-10323)

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=80155&hilit=horn

a late war [July & August 1945] 2" trumpet Sparton horn WO-A-17715 (SPW-B-10539)

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or maybe Civy CJ.

So, are there any markings on it? Look carefully!
1945 SNL shows:
6 volt
WO-A-1312, FM-GPW-13802 Horn assembly, (SPW-B-9427) (SZE-61400)
12 volt
FM-GPA-13802 Horn assembly

We also have TM 9-803 and Ord 9 SNL-G503 supplements under Navy contract NObsr-29091 (Deep Water Fording) that shows the short horn installed in a photo (page 10) and listed in the supplement as follows:
WO-A-17378 Horn assembly, (SPW-B-10323)

The above horns are official documented parts for the MB/GPW. The 12v and short horn are replacement horns as required in those supplements and not factory."

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viewtopic.php?f=4&t=178626&p=1032437&hi ... n#p1032437

I see we have ripped some of the threads out. Jon, is there any chance of getting those threads back as they are technical in nature and not some frivolous topic.

I did not see if your MB is 6v or 12v?

For the original poster... nice jeep, but remember you need to figure out exactly what parts you have as I see you appear to be doing. What seems to be bubba can be some rare part that you can trade for something you need on your jeep.

Edited to show the threads not working in RED, Jon.
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Jon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:29 pm

Point me to the missing bits Markie and I'll see what can be done mate
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by Chuck Lutz » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:38 pm

Take a look at the clutch tube....the clutch CABLE is held onto it with a CLEVIS PIN and COTTER PIN, not a bolt and washers....those should be replaced.
I noticed that the tube itself is practically falling off the round ball pivot on the transfer case so I wonder if this is even mounted or if you are holding it in position?

Either the mounting on the frame is wrong, the clutch tube is wrong or cut, or the trans/transfer case is off-set to the right....how about a couple pics to confirm that?

PS....the horn is wrong in that the mount is wrong for a jeep even if the horn is a 6 volt that will work on it....if you can mount the Horn Bracket as identified in the UNKNOWNS pile on the firewall and get the correct bracket to mount the horn itself to that bracket and the horn is 6-volt and works, then you surely could use it.

You need to remove the BELL on the horn to beadblast it then remove the PLATE inside and clean off any rust on it....then mask off the internals so you can blast the BODY (rear) of the horn assembly. Then prime and paint the BELL and the BODY and assemble and then attach the bracket to the horn mount on the firewall and wire that sucker up!

Untill you find a SPARTON R-14 which can set you back a few or so Benjamins.....that one will work fine,
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Re: MB 1942 Jeep Project

Post by hell-fire » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:48 pm

A few easy things I would do which would work wonders is adding the 1/2 door snaps & fit the hood bow hardware, measurements from Jeep draw.
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