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Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by wreckless » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:51 am

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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by Mark Jesic » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:11 am

Cracking video Rob, gobsmacked at the replacement being plastic. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by wreckless » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:15 am

It’s bureaucratic insanity at its finest.
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by David V » Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:33 am

Total madness. Was the Panzer such a serious threat to national security that it had to be destroyed ? I think not.
However I am only aware that the same sort of bureaucracy could happen here in France...
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by 70th Division » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:19 pm

Hello,

Very interesting post !
That Tiger restoration was a masterpiece, and thankfully, and smartly, the German owner
got it away from the museum and sold it to a collector in the USA.

I have seen personal examples of the "German" powers that be, totally destroy and whitewash history there.
Case in point, the General Walker Hotel facilities in Berchtesgaden.
On the cover of many tourist info magazines, and run by the US Army up until the mid 1990's.
It was the former barracks, for the security detail there that guarded the area during WW2.
It was well maintained by the US Army since they restored it after WW2 as an Army R&R hotel for US Soldiers and their families to have a nice place to stay. It is a beautiful area of Germany with an Army golf course and many mountains to hike up, etc.
It was located at the base of the bus tours up to the Eagle's Nest, part of the same historical complex, with bomb shelters and tunnels under it.

Well as soon as the place was closed, in my opinion, (a political payoff to get the land), the US Army lost a well loved recreational facility in the most beautiful area of Germany.
It was turned back over to the Germans by the US Government to get rid of it.
It was not a military base, it was a US Army Recreational Facility, that also had a huge historic interest for all who visited it.

Well, no sooner did the Germans get it, they bulldozed the entire place, and all the facilities and history were wiped out. They built a parking lot there, for a brand Hotel Intercontinental up the road from this location.
A total wiping of history, that is what they specialize in, like it never happened.
This is done all over Germany.
They get rid of anything they can, then the history is gone too.

The DRMO German in charge, once told me when I was there that a new directive came down that they were to destroy all military vehicles, including any WW2 trucks, tracks, or guns that were turned into them by US Army, as bases were closed.
He showed me pictures of a small flak cannon that was turned in. They cut it to pieces.
He didn't want to do it but those were the new orders.
He was begging one unit to not turn in a CCKW cut away truck that they still had at a base.
If they did, it would be mandated to be destroyed.

I hope these rules were changed in the last 10 years, but I highly doubt it.
These were US rules by the way.

The German powers in the video clearly are going after tanks, and likely everything else they can find.

It makes no sense at all, but that is what has been going on, unchecked all over the country.



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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Just got back from there a few weeks ago. They were so indifferent and hateful/arrogant to us that we will never go back. I knew they do not speak of WW2. I feel as if they wish they had won. I wonder if they are gearing up for round 3 as some publications suggest.
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by twinflyer17 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:51 am

1943Willysgpw wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:58 pm
I feel as if they wish they had won.
Unfortunately, some probably do. Statistically speaking, the majority of children grow up with the same political ideologies and opinions of their parents. What happened to those ideologies and opinions after WWII? Hopefully, most of those children born into Nazi families learned to disassociate themselves from their parent's beliefs once they learned of the horrors committed by them and their party. I'm sure, though, that plenty kept the same views and became/remained bitter about the outcome of the war, at least until newer generations were born. Ideally, Germany would preserve relics from the war and use those to create an opportunity to teach their people and tourists; however, seeing as some of the German leaders were born during or just after the war, I doubt there will be any preservation efforts for quite some time, especially seeing as there are now neo-Nazis who look at those relics and locations as shrines to Hitler and the Third Reich.
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by raymond » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:43 am

What do you expect :?: Look who the chancellor is and the chancellor's history :idea:

You can take the chancellor out of East Germany, but you can't take the East Germany out of the chancellor :!:


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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by HankII » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:53 pm

As long as you guys are Hijacking Rob's post, I'm curious why US Army turned Hotel General Walker over to German government in 1995? Anyone know?

Nice history of hotel here - http://thirdreichruins.com/platterhof.htm
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by raymond » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:42 pm

Better question might be why the German government bulldozed it :idea: :!:

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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by horrocks » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:34 am

There are a number of tanks and armoured, including I think 2 Tigers, currently being restored in Germany for their UK-based private owner, Kevin Wheatcroft.
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by wreckless » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:22 am

The keywords for that may be "for export".
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Re: Museum Tiger 1 replaced by plastic model in Germany

Post by 70th Division » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:40 am

Hello Hank,

I think the destruction of the historic hotel is congruent with the Tiger Tank issues, that the
"modern" German official PC line is......
White wash everything, like it never happened.
If history is not remembered, it will be repeated.

The destruction is indefensible, but was done.
Not to get into politics, but is was closed during the Clinton admin, as part of reducing the US Military presence in Germany. ( Base Closures)
However, this facility and surrounding amenities were in no way a " Military "
base just a Rest and Relaxation (R&R) for US Service Members in Germany and Europe.
It cost the USA nothing, and was but a small little place in the mountains.
It was a beautiful rustic facility and long enjoyed by the US Military and their families for decades in just about the most beautiful area of the German Alpine region, close to Salzburg, Austria. As importantly it was also a low cost and affordable place to stay .

The Burgermeister of Berchtesgaden , was on record at the time, asking , pleading that the US would not close the facilities. His request went unanswered.

We still have many troops in Germany that have all since been denied the use of this US Army Hotel and recreation area.

History gets bulldozed and no one even knows, once it is gone.
They made it into a parking lot.

I remember that back in the woods behind it, was Martin Borman's abandoned guest house. It was still there, all overgrown, but still standing. They made it into a WW2 museum now.


I have always had a great time with the great German people when traveling all around the country.
Really, you can't find any nicer and friendlier people anywhere.

But I wish the citizens would stand up to preserve actual history, and not just make it taboo and destroy things because they were part of WW2.

If you outlaw actual history, and historic Tiger tanks, and such, you make the subject more
suppressed, then the more in actual reality, you will get certain people that will be more inclined to delve into in again.

Preserve history, period !!!!

That goes for Germany, and the USA as well. Much like the communist screw-ups that want to remove US Civil War statues, and even worse move out buried Confederate soldiers from cemeteries.
That is just some sick thinking, and shows the rot that is permeating certain parts of society.

It is dangerous.

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