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Brave Driver!

Post by Spec4Don » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:52 pm

This was taken at Camp Adair OR. 4 divisions were trained there for WW2. The camp was nick named Swamp Adair :mrgreen: Hey it's Oregon!


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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by W. Winget » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:35 am

Looks like fun. he'd fall three feet if one broke, I don't know that I'd have called it 'brave' on that one, but interesting shot of a good reason to try duals on the front of a truck. Wonder if it would ride the rail road as well, or if an errant spike set to high or slightly out of line joint plate would pop the sidewall.
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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by Spec4Don » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:44 pm

Well I'd say brave if one broke the truck would be over on it's side! :mrgreen: Those logs don't look like you could take a fully loaded truck across them.

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Post by W. Winget » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:02 am

Tread marks along the near bank and the bark of the logs indicate this wasn't their first try at it, the logs held up fine.
Still a neat pic.
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Post by 1943Willysgpw » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:38 am

How do you know he is not backing over them........LOL :lol:
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Post by W. Winget » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:11 am

Ok, (since were funny on this) ruts behind the truck leading up to his tires.

But then they could be steel poles and it's all filmed in the backlot of some movie studio to show how capable the US trucks and drivers are pending the invasion in Europe. :shock: And maybe a little green alien guy was being hauled in the back levitating the vehicle... :oops:

What we need is someone to try this with their (restored) CCKW....in a muddy field :lol:
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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by Ben Dover » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:20 am

How many Jeeps have you seen that can navigate over a crater?
Good old WWII US Army training, he wasn't alone and there is probably a no-nonsense NCO with plenty of common sense in charge of the training. Appears to be a 2nd Series SWB CCKW. Wonder where the driver served when he went to war?
Looks like the bows have been raised a little bit.
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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:21 am

But, they would end up flipping it when one of the posts breaks and the other hold firm....OUCH! All that restore for notta. :shock:
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Post by Ben Dover » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:45 pm

War is Hell. :wink:
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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by forestry4evr » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:04 am

Thanks for posting.

Some things are odd with this image if it is from wartime. First; there is only one wiper arm, the fender corners are bent (like many tired old trucks), the left front tire treads are slanted.

When straddling the logs, I wonder if it would behave like a slot car and steer almost automatically like when driving in deep sand tracks?

I think a good straight grained knot free green timber would support an empty truck okay. The poles look like they are from a conifer, I would prefer an oak species. I don't think I would attempt this with my truck...too much time and effort.

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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:24 am

Training for combat accumulates bumps and bruises on combat vehicles, the drivers are trained to navigate over and not around some trees that they encounter, the CCKW will push over 3 and 4" trees. (I remember being instructed that the 5 Ton 6X6 will push most 7" trees over.) Bent fenders are common. If you view enough wartime photos, missing wiper arms are common on closed cab CCKW , the grasshopper arms get knocked off by tree branches. In combat, any nearby log that does the job will do.
Just imagine conditions in the islands of the South Pacific where there were no roads. The equipment had to move, one way or another.
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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by forestry4evr » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:42 am

Joel,

Perhaps so, but I am not convinced. What do you make of the tire tread pattern?

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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:00 am

Early pattern U.S. Royal Master Grip as seen on some 40-41 CCKWX and earlyG-506. Most likely original spares to this SWB CCKW (Note the empty Spare Tire Racks)
David Doy'les CCKW book is a great source of wartime CCKW photos. Look for missing wiper arms.
The WWII CCKW driver was not taught to be a wimpy driver.
Lonnie Tasker, a good friend and long time member of my survey crew was in the 152nd Field artillery in the South Pacific, he had over 3 years combat experience in Jungles with his CCKW Kitchen Truck, one of his Mess Section got caught in Japanese morter fire in a clearing and was rescued by Lonnie when he braved the shelling drove his CCKW to the rescue.
Lonnie used to describe using the traction devices on front and rear wheels to go thru mud and swamps.
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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by forestry4evr » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:31 am

Ben Dover wrote:Early pattern U.S. Royal Master Grip as seen on some 40-41 CCKWX and earlyG-506. Most likely original spares to this SWB CCKW (Note the empty Spare Tire Racks)
David Doy'les CCKW book is a great source of wartime CCKW photos. Look for missing wiper arms.
The WWII CCKW driver was not taught to be a wimpy driver.
Lonnie Tasker, a good friend and long time member of my survey crew was in the 152nd Field artillery in the South Pacific, he had over 3 years combat experience in Jungles with his CCKW Kitchen Truck, one of his Mess Section got caught in Japanese morter fire in a clearing and was rescued by Lonnie when he braved the shelling drove his CCKW to the rescue.
Lonnie used to describe using the traction devices on front and rear wheels to go thru mud and swamps.
The only tread pattern I have seen as represented by early technical manuals show a tire tread pattern like the one in this thread (manual image).

http://www.cckw.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3929

The tire tread pattern of the image at the top of this thread is different.

Do any 18-20 year old males have any real concept of danger?

Joel, did your friend mention if they attached the front wheels just to cross soft ground areas and then remove them? I would imagine using duals would be okay as long as the steering wheel was kept straight.

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Re: Brave Driver!

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:37 am

Danger for 18-20 year old Soldiers in the WWII U.S. Army began the day they hit the reception center and met their Platoon Sgt, next were the needles, haircuts and crawling under live fire at the Confidence Course.

Lonnie and my friend and mentor CWO DeRoche indicated that the best way to get thru difficult mud or swamps with the traction devices installed front and rear was to back the CCKW's up. They also were issued bulldozers to move the guns.
Buy some WWII TM's on Tires, and in addition to the David Doyle Book, there are nice pics of early (40-42) tread patterns in the Tankograd series of CCKW books. Some of the TM-10's on CCKW and G-506 describe the treads and effective installation. You gotta read some CCKW stuff to understand what ain't been wrote on the G-506. It all falls into place after 40-50 years. :wink:

Vintage Video is also an excellent source for WWII vehicle training films and CCKW films showing details being discussed. Give them a call and tell them what you want to see and they will help pick a film.
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