Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

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Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by YLG80 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:02 am

Here is an interesting and fun archive movie showing comparative test with the British Land Rover.
The Land Rover is compared to the US Jeep during various standard tests in the field.
https://www.facebook.com/mashtabekb/vid ... 376853774/
I would be curious to know the Land Rover engine power. Was it the 50HP engine at the time?
The Land Rover frame appears to be the Jeep frame, isn't it?
It's not very safe to have no door or fence on the left of the passenger seat and the right of the driver seat.
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by Klaas » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:45 am

Hi Yves,

Very interesting film. It must be from around 1948-49 ( because of the M-prefix census numbers) and features the early 80" Land-Rover with the 1.6 litre engine, which was indeed 50BHP.
Considering the similar weight of the vehicles, the L-R engine and gearing was not too bad compared to the Jeep.
On these L-R's the chassis was already Rover made; only the very first prototype(s) had the jeep chassis and running gear.
The absence of doors makes it easier to get (=fall) out in case something goes wrong :D . As it is, on the early L-R's doors and other bits were considered as "extra" so had to be ordered and paid for in addition to the basic vehicle. There were no doors on tractors as well and the L-R was primarily considered as a kind of tractor for the farmer.
For additional reading there is the book "Quarter Ton" by Pat Ware (ISBN 0-9525563-2-4) which describes in detail the jeep, L-R and Champ in British service from 1941-1958.
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by horrocks » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:14 am

Oh, the joys of a diff lock.
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by YLG80 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:27 am

Hi Klaas,
Thanks for that information.You are an encyclopedia :D !
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by horrocks » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:20 am

Looking at again on my PC screen, I realised that the reason the Land Rover seemed to do better in some of the tests is because the Jeep was a Ford GPW and not a Willys MB.
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by YLG80 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:34 am

horrocks wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:20 am
Looking at again on my PC screen, I realised that the reason the Land Rover seemed to do better in some of the tests is because the Jeep was a Ford GPW and not a Willys MB.
Not sure with the Ford GPW :lol: but the US Jeep was always second, in the LR traces....
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by Mark Jesic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:26 am

Just putting my two pence worth in. Some early landrover prototypes had centre steering wheels in them, and lets not forget that Maurice Wilkes invented the Land Rover after taking two jeeps to pieces. A Landrover is an imitation jeep. (My opinion only).

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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by W. Winget » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:52 am

Not too impressive. A hand built one off production line vehicle had very marginal performance increase over a mass produced, proven design. It would have been cheaper to do a modification work order for tire change, gear swap or differential lock VS an entirely new vehicle design. But that's history. The film cuts out before showing the jeep leaving the muddy pit, but short of trying to climb a hill in 2nd gear and failing, I saw no real gain in the Land Rovers performance.
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Re: Land Rover troop trials vs US Jeep

Post by YLG80 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:33 am

There is an important note at the beginning of the movie :

"Overall 1st gear ratio on the Jeep is roughly equivalent to 2nd gear ratio on the LR and this accounts for the apparent superiority of the LR during some of the sequences which follow, when both vehicles are being tested in 1st gear over the same obstacles."

That's really a stupid test/comparison and that explains why, when I first saw that movie, I was amazed by the LR great torque.
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