what winch is this?

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what winch is this?

Post by jefbelgium » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:52 am

Hello,

I have my M38 since 1998. I bought it in bad condition and completely overhauled it.
Some years back, I bought a winch and PTO form a guy in Texas. I believe he said that it was the genuine one for the M38.

The winch has been laying in my garage for years. I never got up to installing it. In fact I just unwrapped it last week.
Judging from forums and internet research, I am positive that the winch is not original for my jeep.

It is a Konig, I know that. But which model? And will it fit on my M38? Any ideas please?

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Re: what winch is this?

Post by onlyonedr » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:14 pm

That is a Koenig 51 PTO controller and Koenig King model 100 winch. The package was sold as a "Model 131J" for fitment to -2A, -3A, -3B, and M38 Jeeps.

M38s only came with factory equipped with the Ramsey Model 50 winch and the Ransey Model 105A PTO controller.

Here is a good page for reference material: http://48cj2a.com/PTOs.htm

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Re: what winch is this?

Post by Joe Friday » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:46 pm

The PTO looks more like it is for a wagon of pickup?
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Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:13 am

And the Tooth Count on the CJ PTO's of the Koenig Winches Do not match up with those of the M-38/M-38A1.
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Re: what winch is this?

Post by onlyonedr » Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:37 am

Joe Friday wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:46 pm
The PTO looks more like it is for a wagon or pickup?
The Koenig model 41 was for the utility vehicles and has less drop (sits closer to horizontal under the floor). The 51 shown in the picture above has a steeper drop to put the winch driveshaft below the clutch control linkage on a CJ.
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Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:13 am
And the Tooth Count on the CJ PTO's of the Koenig Winches Do not match up with those of the M-38/M-38A1.
Not sure what you mean here. The dog clutch on the input gear in the Spicer 18 transfer case has the same 15 teeth regardless of the input gear spline (6 or 10)/tooth count (26, 27, or 29) and that is the part that engages with a PTO so they all fit regardless of MB, GPW, GPA, M38, M38A1, CJ-2A/3A/3B/5/6.


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