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electronic ignitiion

Post by buzzinduzzin » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:22 pm

Need to thresh this subject some more please !
1) at the time I purchased this MUTT I also purchased a SWISS unit
2) just recently while the power unit was pulled primarily to fix some oil leaks I took cap off dist. to discover that a Prestolite unit had already been installed
3) decided to run Prestolite until failure then install Swiss unit.
4) being curious to the point of not very smart I decided to do a trial fit of the Swiss unit & found that the 4 lobes on the Prestolite shaft that the rotor plugs onto are VERY close to the aluminum body of the Swiss unit! (think feeler gauge close)
5) not having the O.E.M. style point cam to measure it's major outside diameter at the lobes I don't know if I need to buy a points style cam for the day I actually install the Swiss unit ???
6) yes I know it uses the same rotor ! my concern is the Prestolite lobes being too close to the body of the Swiss unit ! TIA


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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by sjtrucks » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:21 am

I am super interested in this thread. What is this Swiss unit, we speak of? :)

I placed an order for a conversion kit from MidWest Willys for a "Solid State Electronic Ignition Kit for M151, M151A1 and M151A2 by Newstar". Fortunately, I have a spare distributor to play with so I can see how everything comes together on the bench and without being dead in the water.

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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by Rickf » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:07 am

What you are going to receive is the Taiwanese or Chinese version of the Swiss controls ignition system. The original version is no longer available.
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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by sjtrucks » Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:32 pm

Rickf wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:07 am
What you are going to receive is the Taiwanese or Chinese version of the Swiss controls ignition system. The original version is no longer available.
Thanks for the heads-up. Independently, I was investigating the forbidden "F" word - "Fuel Injection" :D

Spoke to a shop about carburetor to GM HEI/TBI system (Bill Hamilton of Hamilton Fuel Injection) and he said, as part of the conversion process, he would start with the distributor and figure out how to put the GM HEI system in there. I am going to send him my spare IDA-4404UT, to start the research for getting the conversion kit together. Can update the forum on the findings.
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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by Rickf » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:51 pm

If I were going with fuel injection then I would definitely go with stand alone and not try to deal with converting a GM unit. Technology is way too old. I have a M151 engine here that has had an old distributor from a M38 or earlier put in it. I was going to get it running as I was told the motor turned over with no problem. After paying top dollar I find one cylinder is rusted solid on top and another is pretty bad. No way it turned over. I get it cleaned and turning but have not had time to do anything else with it. So apparently the earlier distributor with the divorced coil will also work but I don't know about the timing curve, it has a vacuum advance and the M-151 has only centrifugal advance.
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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by sjtrucks » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:58 pm

Rickf wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:51 pm
If I were going with fuel injection then I would definitely go with stand alone and not try to deal with converting a GM unit. Technology is way too old. I have a M151 engine here that has had an old distributor from a M38 or earlier put in it. I was going to get it running as I was told the motor turned over with no problem. After paying top dollar I find one cylinder is rusted solid on top and another is pretty bad. No way it turned over. I get it cleaned and turning but have not had time to do anything else with it. So apparently the earlier distributor with the divorced coil will also work but I don't know about the timing curve, it has a vacuum advance and the M-151 has only centrifugal advance.
It is a stand alone kit that uses GM ECM
http://hamiltonfuelinjection.com/produc ... n-kit.aspx

I will find out more details/proposal/costs in a few weeks after I send my distributor and spark plug wires.
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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by Rickf » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:36 am

My point being it is still old tech, it is a chip, or prom, operated system. You are stuck with whatever programming is on the chip. Prom, Programmable read only memory. You cannot reprogram it like the newer systems that you set up with the usually included tablet or your cell phone.
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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by sjtrucks » Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:22 pm

Rickf wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:36 am
My point being it is still old tech, it is a chip, or prom, operated system. You are stuck with whatever programming is on the chip. Prom, Programmable read only memory. You cannot reprogram it like the newer systems that you set up with the usually included tablet or your cell phone.
Totally agree and I will check to make sure the ECM is programmable.
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Re: electronic ignitiion

Post by sjtrucks » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:31 pm

Rickf wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:07 am
What you are going to receive is the Taiwanese or Chinese version of the Swiss controls ignition system. The original version is no longer available.
Any installation instructions for the electronic ignition system? Any experience with these Taiwanese units - quality? The distributor in my Mutt is the older/mechanical style. The spare distributor that I have is a 4404UT.
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