MB or GPW
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Re: MB or GPW
What does the front cross member look like. Rounded Tube = MB Frame, Inverted "U" = GPW Frame. Is there a GPW number stamped into the top of the drivers side frame rail near the shock mount? If so GPW even if it has an MB Frame. Is there a number stamped on the outboard side of the drivers side toe board gusset? If so it is an ACM Type 1 Willys body. Is there a number stamped in the leading edge of the drivers side toe board gusset? If so it's an ACM Type 2 body and could be either a GPW or an MB. If there is no number stamped into the drivers side toe board gusset then it's a GPW body.
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
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CFII - ASEL
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Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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Re: MB or GPW
It's GPW frame but i don't know if the hood ans side fender are a GPW or MB.
I post pictures
I post pictures
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Re: MB or GPW
ACM2 Composite body was used for both Ford and Willys. I read the body number as 165551. That would be a Dec 1944 body tub and not original for your 3 - 22 - 44 DOD. That said the spacing looks odd and the third "5" might be a mis-stamp. Tub number 16551 could be in range to be original. AFAIK hood and side fenders used with ACM2 body were the same for both Ford & Willys. Hood has the Ford type welds. This is the hood type that was used with the ACM2 bodies. Does your frame stamp match the data plate? If not then the jeep went through a rebuild program.
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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Re: MB or GPW
There is no FORD inscription in the bottom of the glove box.
I have EC bolts on the outer handles
I think the jeep was repair before sale to the civilian life.
I wasn't sure for the Serial body tub because the last "1" isn't very good "script"
Thanks for your informations
I have EC bolts on the outer handles
I think the jeep was repair before sale to the civilian life.
I wasn't sure for the Serial body tub because the last "1" isn't very good "script"
Thanks for your informations
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Re: MB or GPW
Hi, can you tell me where I can use the body number to look up which year it was built. Is there a list for this?sjalbert wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:28 amACM2 Composite body was used for both Ford and Willys. I read the body number as 165551. That would be a Dec 1944 body tub and not original for your 3 - 22 - 44 DOD. That said the spacing looks odd and the third "5" might be a mis-stamp. Tub number 16551 could be in range to be original. AFAIK hood and side fenders used with ACM2 body were the same for both Ford & Willys. Hood has the Ford type welds. This is the hood type that was used with the ACM2 bodies. Does your frame stamp match the data plate? If not then the jeep went through a rebuild program.
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Re: MB or GPW
There's a table at https://dataplates4u.com/bodynumbers/ that can narrow down the month. The numbers in the table are the last tub produced in the given month. I and some other people have been collecting data and in some ranges can narrow DOD down to a a handful of days. From what I've seen body tubs were not used in a specific order (ie not First In First Used or Last In First Used) so there is not a fixed relationship between tub number, serial number or DOD. Tom Woldbolt (who can be found on Facebook, GPW by the Numbers) could possibly tell if a given body number is original for a 1944 or 1945 GPW since he's acquired much of the Ford build data. Comparable build data doesn't exist for MBs.
1941 - 1943 numbers are ACM 1 Type 1 bodies only used by Willys
1944 - 1945 numbers are ACM Type 2 (composite) bodies used by both Ford & Willys
1941 - 1943 numbers are ACM 1 Type 1 bodies only used by Willys
1944 - 1945 numbers are ACM Type 2 (composite) bodies used by both Ford & Willys
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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Re: MB or GPW
sjalbert wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:28 amACM2 Composite body was used for both Ford and Willys. I read the body number as 165551. That would be a Dec 1944 body tub and not original for your 3 - 22 - 44 DOD. That said the spacing looks odd and the third "5" might be a mis-stamp. Tub number 16551 could be in range to be original. AFAIK hood and side fenders used with ACM2 body were the same for both Ford & Willys. Hood has the Ford type welds. This is the hood type that was used with the ACM2 bodies. Does your frame stamp match the data plate? If not then the jeep went through a rebuild program.
I am circumspect for the body number. The first "1" difrent that the last "1".
I have not found "F" marked on the body tub. But on the firewall, i have a Ford filter and a Ford horn support.
The tool box cover and exterior handrails are WILLYS
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Re: MB or GPW
I’m not sure the last 1 is actually a number. 16555 would be a Mar 1944 tub and match your DOD. ACM2 tubs were not F stamped. Have you contacted Tom Woldbolt via Facebook to see what info he might have on your Jeep?
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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Re: MB or GPW
Thanks for your reply.
I have not his Facebook link.
I have not his Facebook link.
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Re: MB or GPW
Search on FB for GPW by the numbers
Seth
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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Re: MB or GPW
It's good, i have find
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Re: MB or GPW
I have a reply.
It's the good body tub.
Thanks for your help
It's the good body tub.
Thanks for your help
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