MB or GPW

1941 - 1945, MB, GPW modifications, sugestions, and ideas, official MWO's and unofficial WWII field mods NO EBAY or COMMERCIAL SALES.
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MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:43 am

I have difficult to say if it's a GPW or MB!
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Re: MB or GPW

Post by sjalbert » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:18 am

What does the front cross member look like. Rounded Tube = MB Frame, Inverted "U" = GPW Frame. Is there a GPW number stamped into the top of the drivers side frame rail near the shock mount? If so GPW even if it has an MB Frame. Is there a number stamped on the outboard side of the drivers side toe board gusset? If so it is an ACM Type 1 Willys body. Is there a number stamped in the leading edge of the drivers side toe board gusset? If so it's an ACM Type 2 body and could be either a GPW or an MB. If there is no number stamped into the drivers side toe board gusset then it's a GPW body.
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Re: MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:38 am

It's GPW frame but i don't know if the hood ans side fender are a GPW or MB.
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Re: MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:53 am

I have a ACM 2 WILLYS. The jeep was bought in 1948 in french civil life
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Re: MB or GPW

Post by sjalbert » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am

ACM2 Composite body was used for both Ford and Willys. I read the body number as 165551. That would be a Dec 1944 body tub and not original for your 3 - 22 - 44 DOD. That said the spacing looks odd and the third "5" might be a mis-stamp. Tub number 16551 could be in range to be original. AFAIK hood and side fenders used with ACM2 body were the same for both Ford & Willys. Hood has the Ford type welds. This is the hood type that was used with the ACM2 bodies. Does your frame stamp match the data plate? If not then the jeep went through a rebuild program.
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Re: MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:34 am

There is no FORD inscription in the bottom of the glove box.
I have EC bolts on the outer handles

I think the jeep was repair before sale to the civilian life.
I wasn't sure for the Serial body tub because the last "1" isn't very good "script"

Thanks for your informations

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Re: MB or GPW

Post by bulli07 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:28 am

sjalbert wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am
ACM2 Composite body was used for both Ford and Willys. I read the body number as 165551. That would be a Dec 1944 body tub and not original for your 3 - 22 - 44 DOD. That said the spacing looks odd and the third "5" might be a mis-stamp. Tub number 16551 could be in range to be original. AFAIK hood and side fenders used with ACM2 body were the same for both Ford & Willys. Hood has the Ford type welds. This is the hood type that was used with the ACM2 bodies. Does your frame stamp match the data plate? If not then the jeep went through a rebuild program.
Hi, can you tell me where I can use the body number to look up which year it was built. Is there a list for this?

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Re: MB or GPW

Post by sjalbert » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:06 am

There's a table at https://dataplates4u.com/bodynumbers/ that can narrow down the month. The numbers in the table are the last tub produced in the given month. I and some other people have been collecting data and in some ranges can narrow DOD down to a a handful of days. From what I've seen body tubs were not used in a specific order (ie not First In First Used or Last In First Used) so there is not a fixed relationship between tub number, serial number or DOD. Tom Woldbolt (who can be found on Facebook, GPW by the Numbers) could possibly tell if a given body number is original for a 1944 or 1945 GPW since he's acquired much of the Ford build data. Comparable build data doesn't exist for MBs.

1941 - 1943 numbers are ACM 1 Type 1 bodies only used by Willys
1944 - 1945 numbers are ACM Type 2 (composite) bodies used by both Ford & Willys
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Re: MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:16 pm

sjalbert wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:28 am
ACM2 Composite body was used for both Ford and Willys. I read the body number as 165551. That would be a Dec 1944 body tub and not original for your 3 - 22 - 44 DOD. That said the spacing looks odd and the third "5" might be a mis-stamp. Tub number 16551 could be in range to be original. AFAIK hood and side fenders used with ACM2 body were the same for both Ford & Willys. Hood has the Ford type welds. This is the hood type that was used with the ACM2 bodies. Does your frame stamp match the data plate? If not then the jeep went through a rebuild program.

I am circumspect for the body number. The first "1" difrent that the last "1".

I have not found "F" marked on the body tub. But on the firewall, i have a Ford filter and a Ford horn support.
The tool box cover and exterior handrails are WILLYS

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Re: MB or GPW

Post by sjalbert » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:42 pm

I’m not sure the last 1 is actually a number. 16555 would be a Mar 1944 tub and match your DOD. ACM2 tubs were not F stamped. Have you contacted Tom Woldbolt via Facebook to see what info he might have on your Jeep?
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known

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Re: MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:02 pm

Thanks for your reply.

I have not his Facebook link.

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Re: MB or GPW

Post by sjalbert » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:52 am

Search on FB for GPW by the numbers
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known

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Re: MB or GPW

Post by Seb61pn32 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:53 am

It's good, i have find


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