Bumper wood filler colour

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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Tombleson » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:42 am

cogenhoe wrote:
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Hi, Newbie question

Is the wood painted o/d or left natural colour, I assume it was painted but wanted to make sure

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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Farrell Fox » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:40 am

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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Jesic » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:01 pm

One point guys, when they lightened up a jeep to go into the gliders (D-Day), was the bumper wood removed ?

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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Ted Schacher » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:46 pm

This is pure speculation on my part. But if I was the guy with the paint gun on the assembly line and my job was to touch up the areas that weren't
green already I probably would have given that bare wood a quick coat of paint.

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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:40 am

Anyone dare to bet that painting rifle stocks O.D. could somehow be justified?
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Tombleson » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:36 am

They were all painted forest green! :wink:
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Farrell Fox » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:49 pm

Ben Dover wrote:
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Anyone dare to bet that painting rifle stocks O.D. could somehow be justified?


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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Ben Dover » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:37 am

Well, I'll be dipped!! :wink:
Regardless whether we get a definitive answer, this is creating some excellent WWII official Jeep photos.
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Farrell Fox » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:43 am

The definitive answer is: A-1147 Front Bumper Bar Wood Filler was painted O.D. at the factory.
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Ben Dover » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:53 am

By "painted O.D. at the factory", do you mean it was painted during the "touch up" process?
My NOS Willys packaged filler was bare wood and is made of poplar, a mystery, but not the greatest MB mystery.
(I discarded the box when I installed the filler in the mid 70's.)
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Farrell Fox » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 am

Based on photographs and supporting documents, one can easily conclude that the wood filler was at least painted at the factory. I would not be surprised to find that the wood was painted even before installation, as found on surviving GPW examples.

Unfortunately your wood filler supposedly made or packaged by Willys that is made from non-spec material, and with no supporting information from your discarded packaging is, for all intents and purposes, inadmissible.
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Ben Dover » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:45 am

Not sure about, I also have doubts about interpreting wood bumper fillers in black and white Jeep photos being painted OD. The Willys drawing for the MB Bumper Filler should note whether or not they are painted. Why my filler is poplar? Who knows, perhaps there is a provision in the specs for wood used in the production of MB's such as Hat Channels, Fender Brace filler and such.
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Farrell Fox » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:54 am

I don't see how anyone can argue with obviously wet paint in the paint booth photo, or a closeup of the wood filler taken from less than 3 feet away. Everyone else obviously agrees it was painted.

Mark already gave you the specs. Your filler is not to specs. Since it fails to meet specs it doesn't apply to factory installed parts. That is unless you can fulfill your burden to prove otherwise.
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Ben Dover » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:49 am

There are WWII military spec books on correct wood for wooden cargo body components that do not agree with the piano grade wood that restorers wood use. This was war time and the Chief of Ordnance had a lot of discretion when it came to alternates. Anyone know the actual purpose or intent of the wood bumper filler on their Jeep? Did other MV's use one?
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Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Michael O. » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 am

Ben Dover wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:49 am
Anyone know the actual purpose or intent of the wood bumper filler on their Jeep?
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