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The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by dilvoy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:37 pm

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by Action » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:58 pm

Did the data tag show m1165, because that is an m1152.
What is this?

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I haven't seen the newer ones with the interiors painted tan. Also, there is other odd stuff...Some of the heavy interior pieces are still there, the steering column is dropped down, and the blockout panel under it is missing.
It doesn't have the insulated hose running over the motor for the driver floor a/c. It just has an older hose there.

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by dilvoy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:38 pm

Action wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Did the data tag show m1165, because that is an m1152.
What is this?

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I haven't seen the newer ones with the interiors painted tan. Also, there is other odd stuff...Some of the heavy interior pieces are still there, the steering column is dropped down, and the blockout panel under it is missing.
It doesn't have the insulated hose running over the motor for the driver floor a/c. It just has an older hose there.

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Looks like crap that wasn't accepted by TACOM. It makes for an instant collectable!
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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by desmodromic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:41 pm

Action wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Did the data tag show m1165, because that is an m1152.

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The data tag showed M1165. Besides the conflicting sling and tie down data plate, what are the signs that make you think it is an 1152?

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by Augi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:36 pm

Looks to me like a test bed for an electronically controlled stabilization system.

I've seen a couple of companies display things like that at trade shows. I think Meritor had one and so did another company I can't remember off the top of my head.

My guess is that they plumbed the power steering system into the top of the shocks and have a computer controlled actuator to vary the pressure and adjust the firmness or ride height or something.


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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by ryanruck » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:20 pm

Augi wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:36 pm
Looks to me like a test bed for an electronically controlled stabilization system.

I've seen a couple of companies display things like that at trade shows. I think Meritor had one and so did another company I can't remember off the top of my head.

My guess is that they plumbed the power steering system into the top of the shocks and have a computer controlled actuator to vary the pressure and adjust the firmness or ride height or something.
Yep, I think that's exactly what this one was. Either a DoD truck loaned to a company for R&D that has been turned back in or a military T&E truck.

The Meritor system involves a complete replacement of the suspension and has oversized tires so it's not that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fks_sW0T7gk

A number of others use modified stock suspensions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4y24_wVxBQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-qE4H1t3qg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vArnkbQ1ws

I have doubts about whether the system in the sold truck even works. This looks potentially like a plug to a missing control box:

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Then again, that could just be a data hookup to collect telemetry.

An interesting truck for sure though I wouldn't pay what it sold for, and good luck with support/parts for that suspension stuff.

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by dilvoy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:41 pm

desmodromic wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:41 pm
Action wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Did the data tag show m1165, because that is an m1152.

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The data tag showed M1165. Besides the conflicting sling and tie down data plate, what are the signs that make you think it is an 1152?

My learning curve is steep on the newer rigs.
It's obviously a REV truck, because of all the stuff it has on and under it, plus the dimension plate even says M1152.
I think Greg might have bought it!
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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by Ted Gates » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:07 am

This looks to me to be an M1152 or at least set up as one when released. Under the rear passenger foot-wells on both sides are the brackets for supporting the front skid plates. These do not exist on M1165, only M1152. Tub was predrilled for rear skid pans but no signs of inner fender brackets to support it. Windshield frame looks to be a soft top with no hardtop spoons or brackets. NSN is for an M998! BTW, data plates on the M1151//52/65/67 are fastened with phillips screws, not rivets, so data plates can be easily removed.

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by ragman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:10 am

I am going to run the Meritor on one of my truck/capsules and it is a complete replacement of the suspension as mentioned above. On another truck I am running something similar to this truck that was supplied to SOCOM for special forces vehicles. Ted is right, the most accurate data plate is probably the 1152a1 which implies the underbody protection kit that this vehicle clearly supported at one time.

My guess is it might have picked up the 1165 data plate because that looks like a SOCOM like suspension and that it probably tested that way. It really doesn't matter because if it gets SF 97'd and titled as an 1165 parts can be added or deleted to make it what ever version of 1165 you want. You have a titled 1165 with a valid 300000+ number and that makes you one of two that I know of in private hands. Maybe that isn't worth much to the average HMMWV buyer but if I knew I could get it titled that way I would have been interested in it.

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by 86humv » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:30 pm

dilvoy wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:41 pm
desmodromic wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:41 pm
Action wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Did the data tag show m1165, because that is an m1152.

Jason
The data tag showed M1165. Besides the conflicting sling and tie down data plate, what are the signs that make you think it is an 1152?

My learning curve is steep on the newer rigs.
It's obviously a REV truck, because of all the stuff it has on and under it, plus the dimension plate even says M1152.
I think Greg might have bought it!
This Greg didn't buy that.
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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by Action » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:52 pm

desmodromic wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:41 pm
Action wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Did the data tag show m1165, because that is an m1152.

Jason
The data tag showed M1165. Besides the conflicting sling and tie down data plate, what are the signs that make you think it is an 1152?

My learning curve is steep on the newer rigs.
An easy thing to notice is the lack of a/c condensor in the left rear fender.

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by ragman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:30 pm

You and Ted make some good points Jason, I could be wrong but it seems to me that early versions often only had one A/C unit.

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by Action » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:16 pm

It looks like the shock thingy hoses were disconnected and just hanging in the front bumper. I wonder if something was removed that they were hooked to?

Also, The front of the rear set base looks a bit different to me than what I am used to. The base looks normal, but what is the plate on front with a hole in it?
Speaking of seats...who doesn't love sitting on duct tape when the edges start rolling up?

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by desmodromic » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:40 pm

Action wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:16 pm
It looks like the shock thingy hoses were disconnected and just hanging in the front bumper. I wonder if something was removed that they were hooked to?

Also, The front of the rear set base looks a bit different to me than what I am used to. The base looks normal, but what is the plate on front with a hole in it?

Jason

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On some of the other active suspension set ups that I have seen, there is often a roll/yay etc sensor and other electronics that serve as the brains of the suspension stored under or in front of the rear drivers side seat.

As far as the hydro hoses that are hanging loose fore and aft, as state above, they probably tied into a manifold that tied into the power steering system, which would also explain the power steering "leak."

This vehicle poses so many questions, not the least of which is why would someone drill a hole in the trans pan? Is it that hard to drop the pan to drain the trans, or is this lazy SOP for rendering mission putaway vehicles "environmentally friendly?"

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Re: The Turbos are running at Rockingham!

Post by dilvoy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:34 pm

Action wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:16 pm
It looks like the shock thingy hoses were disconnected and just hanging in the front bumper. I wonder if something was removed that they were hooked to?

Also, The front of the rear set base looks a bit different to me than what I am used to. The base looks normal, but what is the plate on front with a hole in it?
Speaking of seats...who doesn't love sitting on duct tape when the edges start rolling up?

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