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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by Nikko » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:13 am

Hi

Luca is a good guy :D
The tool sets he puts together and the prices he ask for them are fair and 10 times better than the auction site..
and the tool info on the on the INK STAMPED IRWIN screwdrivews pictures he has posted nice
Inn my opinion he deserves credit for his shearing info to us all. :D


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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by d42jeep » Sat May 12, 2018 1:55 am

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As a couple of guys on here know I snagged a NOS Ink stamped Irwin of the auction site with a Government shank stamped one thrown in for the buy it now of $20.00, I don't look anymore as I will nerver be that lucky again.

Anyone looking for a tool kit should look long and hard at what Luca has to offer and I wish I had know about G503 when I was putting a kit together as it can be one stop shoping for decant correct items from people like Luca and others who know their stuff.
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I still look every day. Last week I found this buy it now listed at 2:15 AM and I grabbed it just before Phil saw it. It will be going right into the Jeep’s toolset. It had been used to stir paint but those paint traces eventually cleaned off.
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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by pjones » Sat May 12, 2018 2:19 am

Congrats Don! It looks great!
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Post by d42jeep » Sat May 12, 2018 2:54 am

Thanks, Phil. And thanks again for this one, quite some time back.
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Same as Don I keep on searching for an Ink stamp every day. I was very fotunate to have found a very nice stamped Irwin some years ago for next to nothing. I did not think I would ever find one again but yester I struck again - didn’t struck gold but still an ink stamp for a very reasonable price.
This will find a spot in one of my kits to just add that little extra touch.
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Post by d42jeep » Wed May 23, 2018 11:55 am

Great find! I must have been sleeping on the job! Congratulations!
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Post by pjones » Wed May 23, 2018 12:07 pm

Congrats Claus! To find one Don and I didn't see is even more amazing!

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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by lucakiki » Wed May 23, 2018 12:32 pm

There was a time, and that was not such a long time ago, when just as a couple of other gee friends I was very happy to spot on e-bay any
11" Irwin stamped on shank!
How times have changed! :D
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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by henry501 » Wed May 23, 2018 7:36 pm

Claus,

Nice find. Congratulations. The ink stamped versions seem to be turning up more frequently. Perhaps the “market” will determine some new pricing for these gems. Of course pristine/“as new” condition versions of these will command the higher prices.

I still find it comical that one can still find shank stamped versions being listed on the auction site as “for the jeep” and the seller asking for high dollars for what we know is not the correct choice for a WWII Irwin screwdriver. However, the auction site has always been that way.

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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by lucakiki » Thu May 24, 2018 12:06 am

henry501 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:36 pm


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I still find it comical that one can still find shank stamped versions being listed on the auction site as “for the jeep” and the seller asking for high dollars for what we know is not the correct choice for a WWII Irwin screwdriver. However, the auction site has always been that way.
The Irwin stamped on shank has been considered not only correct, but actually the correct choice for ages.
When the WOA drawing came out, everyone was after Irwins without government stock number. There was even someone selling them as supposedly sourced from military surplus, go figure!
The knowledge of Ink stamped on wood as the correct choice is relatively recent, and not all the ebay sellers are aware of the change in consensus.
Some of them just sell junk, and will keep screwing gullible purchasers, but some are in good faith.
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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by pjones » Fri May 25, 2018 3:42 pm

henry501 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:36 pm
I still find it comical that one can still find shank stamped versions being listed on the auction site as “for the jeep” and the seller asking for high dollars for what we know is not the correct choice for a WWII Irwin screwdriver. However, the auction site has always been that way.
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Guys, did I miss something? While I have no doubt that Ink stamped Irwins are preferred What is the definitive evidence that shank stamped Irwins are incorrect?

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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by lucas » Fri May 25, 2018 8:11 pm

I agree, Phil....Did not know it was settled that shank stamped were wrong????
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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by Wingnutt » Sat May 26, 2018 2:28 am

pjones wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 3:42 pm
Guys, did I miss something? While I have no doubt that Ink stamped Irwins are preferred What is the definitive evidence that shank stamped Irwins are incorrect?
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I agree, Phil....Did not know it was settled that shank stamped were wrong????
With the caveat that "definitive" and "settled" are subjective (who would even be the arbiter of something like that...?), there is ZERO doubt in my mind that Irwin screwdrivers with ANY stamping on the shank (e.g., IRWIN, IRWIN USA, IRWIN US of A, and IRWIN US of A GOV. STOCK # 41-S-1076) are post-war.

From my perspective, the first few nails in that coffin were hammered in by Cliff (Hartofoak) and Hinrik Steinsson (Viking27) in their seminal and handlebreaking work on cast markings and the subsequent work and analysis done by others on their thread to expand their discovery. That thread, linked here, proves, without a shred of doubt, that the cast markings under IRWIN screwdrivers with stampings on the shank DO NOT MATCH the cast markings under IRWIN screwdrivers with ink-stamped handles. In my interpretation, that proved that they were clearly not made at the same time as each other. Furthermore, in my analysis, a clear pattern emerged from that work, showing the evolution of the cast markings. ALL of the cast markings on IRWIN screwdrivers with stamped shanks clearly came after the early ink-stamped handle cast markings. Furthermore still, IRWIN screwdrivers with no stampings on the shank and no ink-stamped handle DO MATCH the cast markings under IRWIN screwdrivers with ink-stamped handles, further sealing the stamp shanks' fate, and illustrating that the next best thing to an IRWIN screwdriver with an ink-stamped handle is an IRWIN screwdriver with NO stamp on the shank and a blank handle (ink almost certainly worn off).

From my perspective, the final nails in that coffin were hammered in by Fred and I, in White Vol 5 Chapter 40, in our analysis of original Willys factory and Ordnance Dept documents during the M38 pre-production period, specifically dated January and April 1950, proving without a shred of doubt that IRWIN screwdrivers with the IRWIN US of A GOV. STOCK # 41-S-1076 stamping were placed in M38 toolkits.
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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by pjones » Sat May 26, 2018 4:38 am

Greg,
I agree with all of that. But what evidence do we have that they didn't start stamping the shank Irwin US of A in for example '44 or '45? Couldn't cast markings have changed over the course of the war? Do we have war era Irwin catalogs, '42, '43, '44, or '45, that show no stamping on the shanks?
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Re: IRWIN (Ink stamped on wood) screwdrivers

Post by Silly's MB » Sat May 26, 2018 5:48 am

Phil, my 1942 catalogue shows only Irwin ink stamped with a hex shank. This would be my choice for a 41 or early/mid 42 Jeep.

I would agree that no evidence exists for a shaft marked Irwin during the war.
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