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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:54 am

Should arrive just in time to be put inside my boot on the porch on St Nicholas Day! The other boot will be filled with coal and onions for sure! :) (One of the only "old country" traditions from my childhood that my children actually enjoyed as kids!)

Three down, one to go! :)

Edit: And before a resident tone-deaf inappropriate nitpicker points it out, I see the interwar B-triangle logo where the BONNEY name is typically found on wartime wrenches. I am, in this case, happily choosing to conveniently ignore it. For now. If these grew on trees, it might be different. Also, I'm not sure about this one. I'm going to inspect for a date code and compare construction.
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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by mudbox » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:22 am

Wingnutt wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:54 am
Edit: And before a resident tone-deaf inappropriate nitpicker points it out, I see the interwar B-triangle logo where the BONNEY name is typically found on wartime wrenches. I am, in this case, happily choosing to conveniently ignore it. For now. If these grew on trees, it might be different. Also, I'm not sure about this one. I'm going to inspect for a date code and compare construction.
B triangle is Billings and spencer, no?
I think it would be good for wartime. Though, now you're stuck trying to find the fourth one in an all together different brand! :lol: I think it should be a Vlchek. :wink:
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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:33 am

mudbox wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:22 am
B triangle is Billings and spencer, no?
Yup. Todd caught the same brainfart and PM'd me.
mudbox wrote:
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Though, now you're stuck trying to find the fourth one in an all together different brand! :lol:
No kidding - I had the same exact thought and I am considering it challenge now! Three wartime Mack wrenches, three different suppliers - Bonney, Williams, and Billings! If only Willys had been so pluralistic! :lol:
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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by Tin Medic » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:54 am

What manufacturer are we missing?


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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by Hartofoak » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:18 am

What a very enjoyable and interesting story! I know nothing of Mack trucks and their toolkits, but it's funny how a wrench can get guys enthusing from all corners of the globe which demonstrates another of the great things about this forum.
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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by ng19delta » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:23 am

Great. Now I have tio go look through my small stash of S wrenches- I'm pretty sure I have a few "Mack"... Wonder what the value is...

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Re: Bonney Mack Truck

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:28 am

So true, Cliff!
Tin Medic wrote:
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What manufacturer are we missing?
Unknown. I didn't know Bonney was a supplier until the first S wrench popped up. Ditto Williams or Billings. The manual Dave posted doesn't say, and I don't know any other source for Mack truck toolkit info. We're in pure heuristic mode on this one, so far, backing into it the hard (empirical) way! :)
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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:10 pm

ng19delta wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:23 am
Great. Now I have tio go look through my small stash of S wrenches- I'm pretty sure I have a few "Mack"... Wonder what the value is...
Please report back after you check your stash. I'm curious what you have. As for value, there are a few Williams (75J, 79S, 81A) and Bonney's (79S, 81A) on fleaBay right now. Can't see the date codes on the Bonney, but they're the wartime markings, as are the Williams. They range between $10 and $20 a piece.

No Billings versions in any size, and no 15/16" x 1-1/16" wrench (which, given the industry sizing nomenclature, has to be 83-something) in any brand.

The 1949 Billings catalog, which offers standard 22-1/2* angle carbon steel DOE "S" wrenches in nineteen (19) different size combinations, doesn't include any of the Mack NR series sizes, yet we know they made the 81A (see wrench Tin medic found above).

The pre-war Bonney catalogs offered them in thirty-three (33) different sizes, but only includes two (79S and 81A) of the four wrenches specified by Mack. No 1/2 x 7/16 (which we know is 75J) and no 15/16 x 1-1/16. Yet we know they made the 75J (see the wrench that kicked off this thread). Not included in the wartime catalogs.

The pre-war and wartime Williams catalogs offered them in twenty-eight (28) different sizes, but, like Bonney, only covered the 79S and 81A for the Mack kit sizes. Again, no 75J and no 15/16 x 1-1/16. All marked "DISCONTINUED" in the wartime catalogs.

75J (1/2 x 7/16) and whatever the part number was for 1-1/16 x 15/16 were obviously special orders.
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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by ng19delta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:32 pm

Wingnutt wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:10 pm
ng19delta wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:23 am
Great. Now I have tio go look through my small stash of S wrenches- I'm pretty sure I have a few "Mack"... Wonder what the value is...
Please report back after you check your stash. I'm curious what you have. As for value, there are a few Williams (75J, 79S, 81A) and Bonney's (79S, 81A) on fleaBay right now. Can't see the date codes on the Bonney, but they're the wartime markings, as are the Williams. They range between $10 and $20 a piece.

No Billings versions in any size, and no 15/16" x 1-1/16" wrench (which, given the industry sizing nomenclature, has to be 83-something) in any brand.

The 1949 Billings catalog, which offers standard 22-1/2* angle carbon steel DOE "S" wrenches in nineteen (19) different size combinations, doesn't include any of the Mack NR series sizes, yet we know they made the 81A (see wrench Tin medic found above).

The pre-war Bonney catalogs offered them in thirty-three (33) different sizes, but only includes two (79S and 81A) of the four wrenches specified by Mack. No 1/2 x 7/16 (which we know is 75J) and no 15/16 x 1-1/16. Yet we know they made the 75J (see the wrench that kicked off this thread). Not included in the wartime catalogs.

The pre-war and wartime Williams catalogs offered them in twenty-eight (28) different sizes, but, like Bonney, only covered the 79S and 81A for the Mack kit sizes. Again, no 75J and no 15/16 x 1-1/16. All marked "DISCONTINUED" in the wartime catalogs.

75J (1/2 x 7/16) and whatever the part number was for 1-1/16 x 15/16 were obviously special orders.
I'll have to check my straight wrenches next for more Mack stuff- I have a bunch I got a few years back... But I found ONE Mack marked "S" wrench in my pile o's wrenches- it is a Williams (with the underline, and a MADE <W> USA marking) #75... The rest of my s wrenches are not Mack marked...

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Re: Bonney Mack Truck "S" wrench

Post by Wingnutt » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:44 am

ng19delta wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:32 pm
I found ONE Mack marked "S" wrench in my pile o's wrenches- it is a Williams (with the underline, and a MADE <W> USA marking) #75... The rest of my s wrenches are not Mack marked...
Thanks, Scott. The Williams 75 wrench is the same wrench as the Bonney 75J. 1/2 x 7/16. Not sure why they used different model numbers. Machts nichts though. Neither one made an S wrench with that size combination until the war and I am positive it was specified by the Army for the Mack NR series at a minimum.
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