I have seen several wrenches with the same crude "MAC SABINO, O." marking. They look hand-forged like early Cornwell. Several other tools, including an axle re-threader I own. None of them plated. I am going to re-look at all of them due to this development. Len's and Luca's little drain plug wrenches suddenly give a different perspective to all those other tools with the same "MAC SABINA, O." marking, in my opinion. The FSN is key. We used to just think of these crude tools as in that murky unknown earlier period, before the 1947 MAC Allied Tools Corporation catalog. Given the US Army Air Corps contract, along with "several smaller government orders for various kinds of tools" at the end of 1941, amounting to them producing "20,00-25,000 units per month", the contracts that followed in 1942, along with a number of articles I have found detailing their exponential growth throughout the war (expanding into multiple buildings, number of employees, etc), I'm thinkin we'd almost have to think these earliest looking tools with the same type stamping are part of that production. But that's probably a subject best reserved for the thread I just revived.
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Since the other MAC thread has wandered off into wrench-world....
I wonder if a timeline could be constructed by the following examples (none are GPW/Ford orientated):
First off is the generally accepted Willys factory DPW for WWII: Next is the MAC Sabina, O. with the "41-W" marking: Lastly is one associated with the M38 era:
I wonder if a timeline could be constructed by the following examples (none are GPW/Ford orientated):
First off is the generally accepted Willys factory DPW for WWII: Next is the MAC Sabina, O. with the "41-W" marking: Lastly is one associated with the M38 era:
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Good lord man, you're posting in the MAC thread. The other MAC thread is about wartime tools in general.Chuck Lutz wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:27 pmSince the other MAC thread has wandered off into wrench-world....
Why haven't you also posted an image of the GPW dpw for comparison?
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Jason, let me guess ! Because he does not have a picture is the first answer that comes to mind.
He could snap a picture of his own tool, but I do not recall of Chuck Lutz ever snapping and posting a picture snapped by him.
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Uh...why not go check out the Jeepdraw tool section and see if there is a SPW with just the GPW part number on it? Then report back on who got the photo credit.
OK, the next thing I would hear was I hijacked that photo so try this...
The Jeepdraw tool section photo:
OK, the next thing I would hear was I hijacked that photo so try this...
The Jeepdraw tool section photo:
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Found 'em!
...and to complete the trifecta:
...and to complete the trifecta:
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Whoops!
Forgot this one also...
Forgot this one also...
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Allelujah! So now you snap pictures and post them. Great. I for one couldn't be more happy.
Things have changed.
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I’m wondering why we are seeing pictures of spark plug wrenches, hub pullers and brake bleeder wrenches in a thread about drain plug wrenches? Very strange.
To get back on topic, here are Len Jones’ MAC and FSN marked drain plug wrenches along with his Ford marked repro.
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To get back on topic, here are Len Jones’ MAC and FSN marked drain plug wrenches along with his Ford marked repro.
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Don thank you very much for posting this on my behalf.
Now for the finer details, I purchased both these 41-W-1962-30 marked DPW's some twenty plus years ago from Tony Sudds - friend, jeep legend, and all round decent guy here in the UK.
Way back then information was sparse, and the only reference to FSN 41-W-1962-30 I found was in both Ord 7 SNL G-503's dated Oct 1949 on page 66, and June 1951 on page 6. Funny because it was some time later I purchased both these manuals from Tony himself. I remember discussing this with him, and I believe at the time we both assumed they were post WW2 - Nice to know this might not be correct now ?
The GPW DPW was purchased around the same time, the Vendor was from Holland or Belgium I think. It was obvious to me that it was a repro as the stepped end is milled, and the shoulder is too square, but anyway I wanted it as a display item, and have never seen another one in the wild since then. I would think that an original piece would have been drop forged, and with a rough finish.
My own thoughts on why the DPW's are like hen's teeth - Being small they easily get lost, however I believe that they would have been simply weighed in for scrap when surplus. Imagine the scenario - a surplus dealer buys tools at auction, then opens a case to find hundreds of basically useless short lengths of square bar, unsure of their application, and with no quick resale value unlike wrenches, pliers, hammers, etc. they are scrap.
To further illustrate my thoughts many years ago I attended an open day/sale at the once famous railway yard of the late Chris Wilkinson in St Albans. Back then Chris was then one of the few dealers here in UK with NOS parts for American and British WW2 vehicles, his premises were a sight for sore eyes with seemly endless rows of packing cases covered with canvas sheets - many of which were half track tarps. At one end of this heaven were two 8 yard builders skips. One was full to the top with probably thousands of short offset single box end wrenches - all marked ' 20446 ' , some were cad plated, some were chrome plated and marked ' made in U.S.A ' - all removed from wooden packing cases on site, their final destination was the scrap man. The other skip, also full, contained the remains of spring sets from Dingo seat cushions ( ? ) all stripped of their outer covering, and all to go the same way - scrap.
My DPW's were simply put away with my other jeep tools, until I purchased a McAleer box to put them in - then I discovered the G503 and the GMTS - the slippery slope to ruin my Wife keeps telling me ! ! !
I would like to thank all those who have helped me along the way - you know who you are.
Keep posting and happy hunting
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Now for the finer details, I purchased both these 41-W-1962-30 marked DPW's some twenty plus years ago from Tony Sudds - friend, jeep legend, and all round decent guy here in the UK.
Way back then information was sparse, and the only reference to FSN 41-W-1962-30 I found was in both Ord 7 SNL G-503's dated Oct 1949 on page 66, and June 1951 on page 6. Funny because it was some time later I purchased both these manuals from Tony himself. I remember discussing this with him, and I believe at the time we both assumed they were post WW2 - Nice to know this might not be correct now ?
The GPW DPW was purchased around the same time, the Vendor was from Holland or Belgium I think. It was obvious to me that it was a repro as the stepped end is milled, and the shoulder is too square, but anyway I wanted it as a display item, and have never seen another one in the wild since then. I would think that an original piece would have been drop forged, and with a rough finish.
My own thoughts on why the DPW's are like hen's teeth - Being small they easily get lost, however I believe that they would have been simply weighed in for scrap when surplus. Imagine the scenario - a surplus dealer buys tools at auction, then opens a case to find hundreds of basically useless short lengths of square bar, unsure of their application, and with no quick resale value unlike wrenches, pliers, hammers, etc. they are scrap.
To further illustrate my thoughts many years ago I attended an open day/sale at the once famous railway yard of the late Chris Wilkinson in St Albans. Back then Chris was then one of the few dealers here in UK with NOS parts for American and British WW2 vehicles, his premises were a sight for sore eyes with seemly endless rows of packing cases covered with canvas sheets - many of which were half track tarps. At one end of this heaven were two 8 yard builders skips. One was full to the top with probably thousands of short offset single box end wrenches - all marked ' 20446 ' , some were cad plated, some were chrome plated and marked ' made in U.S.A ' - all removed from wooden packing cases on site, their final destination was the scrap man. The other skip, also full, contained the remains of spring sets from Dingo seat cushions ( ? ) all stripped of their outer covering, and all to go the same way - scrap.
My DPW's were simply put away with my other jeep tools, until I purchased a McAleer box to put them in - then I discovered the G503 and the GMTS - the slippery slope to ruin my Wife keeps telling me ! ! !
I would like to thank all those who have helped me along the way - you know who you are.
Keep posting and happy hunting
Len Jones - MVT 366.
Owner and Custodian of GPW 24043 since 1976 here in sunny Wales ( Well it is today ! )
Owner & Custodian of GPW 24043 since 1976.
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