GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by lt.luke » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:50 am

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Dave,
That might be the handsomest GMTK knife I have ever seen. Perfect example of the type PAL made with bone instead of wood scales and with the "U.S. ARMY" stamped on the tang instead of the scale, exactly as the Price/Zelsky knife guide I posted in post #3 indicates.
Preface that I need to read your Price/Zelsky Post, but is this an early knife? Bone is more expensive, & I can’t see the company loosing money. I can’t see Army/QMC ordering/specing something unnecessarily expensive either?

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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by sincitygpw » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Hi All
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Thank You for the compliments and your research, that is what guided me to this very lucky find ...
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:00 am

lt.luke wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:50 am
Preface that I need to read your Price/Zelsky Post, but is this an early knife? Bone is more expensive, & I can’t see the company loosing money. I can’t see Army/QMC ordering/specing something unnecessarily expensive either?
I don't know if the PAL bone-handled "U.S. ARMY" tang-stamped electrician's knives were earlier, later or in parallel production with the PAL wood-handled "U.S. ARMY" handle-stamped electrician's knives, but they are WWII vintage. Interwar and pre-war electrician's knives were significanty shorter than 3-5/8" long, had two notches in the screwdriver blade, and no bail on the end. Maybe the ran out of cocobolo wood! :)
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by brian in denver » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:10 am

heres another monkey for the wrench works.
found this reference in the coast artillery journal looking for sig tools
TL-116 electricians knife,
http://www.radionerds.com/index.php/TL_-_Tools
anybody ever seen one ?

(youll have to google BOOKS to find it)
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by Tin Medic » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:03 am

Silvey's book on Military Pocket knives states that the bone handles were an early version, however he doesn't know the time frame. Also, Camillus made an early bone handle also except they didn't stamp theirs "US ARMY".
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by lt.luke » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:13 am

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/ele ... 806/page-2

Page 2 has a picture of the TL-116. I suspect it to be the short-blades version as it appears to be exactly like a TL-29.

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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by brian in denver » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:38 pm

nice.
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:32 pm

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Camillus made an early bone handle also except they didn't stamp theirs "US ARMY".
This makes it sounds as if Camillus made the bone-handled knife for the Army but didn't stamp it. Is that what you meant to say? As far as I know, that early bone-handled Camillus was not made under contract with the Signal Corps or any other branch. It was a civilian knife and would have no reason to be stamped "U.S. ARMY". If you have other info, Steve, please share it.
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I suspect it to be the short-blades version as it appears to be exactly like a TL-29.
???!!! Did you see the TL-29 to the right of it (from a TE-33, below a CS-34 pouch) in the same image? Or read Frank Trzaska's post accompanying the image? TL-116 was never fielded. It was the designation for an experiment, developed in the 1920's, for an electrician's knife with longer blades, a one-notched screwdriver blade, and a shackle. (Again, the original WWI and interwar TL-29 was considerably smaller than the WWII TL-29, it had two notches across from each other on the screwdriver blade, and no shackle on the end). When a longer-bladed (3-5/8") electrician's knife with only one notch in the screwdriver blade and a shackle on the end was eventually designed by the Signal Corps for fielding, they used the old designator (TL-29) again.
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by Tin Medic » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:20 pm

Pic from Silveys book.
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:33 pm

Thanks, Steve. So he thinks it was a TL-29 without the shield? I don't know. That's odd for early, but okay, that explains why it wasn't stamped "U.S. ARMY", which was an Ordnance thing, not a Signal Corps thing.
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by lt.luke » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:16 pm

???!!! Did you see the TL-29 to the right of it (from a TE-33, below a CS-34 pouch) in the same image? Or read Frank Trzaska's post accompanying the image? TL-116 was never fielded. It was the designation for an experiment, developed in the 1920's, for an electrician's knife with longer blades, a one-notched screwdriver blade, and a shackle. (Again, the original WWI and interwar TL-29 was considerably smaller than the WWII TL-29, it had two notches across from each other on the screwdriver blade, and no shackle on the end). When a longer-bladed (3-5/8") electrician's knife with only one notch in the screwdriver blade and a shackle on the end was eventually designed by the Signal Corps for fielding, they used the old designator (TL-29) again.
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Yes I sort of saw it. The driver blade is washed out on my screen. The blade lengths look similar or the same. Thanks for correction.

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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:33 pm

No problem, sir!
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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by sincitygpw » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:05 pm

Hi All
Here is a few pictures of my keeper's recent find's

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FWIW I was lucky to buy these from the Silvey collection.
Your Thoughts
Thanks
Dave

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Re: GMTK Electrician's Knife: 41-K-370 vs. TL-29

Post by sincitygpw » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:46 am

Hi All
Here is another picture I would like to share with you

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Thanks for looking
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