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WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:07 pm

Hello WW2 Dodge owners,

I am looking for the following data from the G505, G502, G507 series of truck to expand my Dodge databases:

Photo of the build card.
Frame number.
Date of Delivery ( from an original data plate ).
Hood number and if found in blue drab or white.
Body tag number.
Body number ( stamped into firewall below filterette connections on some models ).
Motor serial number.

Thanks in advance for any shared data as it will help the hobby in the future !!!
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:06 pm

Hi daffy123,

Thanks for the posting!!!!!!

I was hoping to pick-up some data from G503'ers that may not visit other Dodge sites. By asking for the data the way I did I was hoping to get a little cleaner data than what can get posted in other places.

Also I am looking for build cards that may not be on sites like command-car.com .
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Navigator » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:11 pm

Hello Tom

i found under the green Color on the Hood the Number:
2227007 U.S.A.

Have only the Hood, no car.
Can you help me to identify the Number (Year/Contract/What a Dodge-Model).

Thank You
Mike

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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:02 pm

Hi Mike,

Thanks for posting the hood number. My WW2 Dodge database indicates that hood number 2227007 should have been from a WC-52 in Sept. '44 on contract ending in ORD-6322.

I hope this is of some help.
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Navigator » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:47 am

Hi Tom

thank you for the fast Response!

Best regards from Switzerland, Mike


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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Tim Shanteler » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:18 pm

I’ll post this is a few places
I have owned these trucks for about 15 years, but just got around to getting their build cards. My WC57 is quite original. It has the original engine, body and hood numbers. It was repainted by the military once which repositioned the stars on the hood, body and tailgate. It was painted silver after the war which preserved the paint underneath. It has the stencil “ FOR AMERIACAL DIVIVISION” on a front fender which is bleeding through the silver paint. The WC52 is an Arizona truck and looks to be an ex- Air Force vehicle as you could see the blue on it. Although it had sat for a very long time, the truck was pretty pristine, with the exception of the wood bed which was dried out and falling apart. I knew it was a late model truck and appeared unmolested/changed, but when I got the build card I was surprised that the information on it didn’t match. Based on a build card from the G503 under ” Dodge Data Needed” Aug 3 2014,Goranwc51, my truck was built a month before his, but has a later serial #. The motor and body numbers on the Build Card fall into line with what Goran51’s shows, seeing that it was made the previous month. (I have found a build card on Sylia’s Command Car site that has the same confusion regarding my WC57…my serial # is higher than a another Command Car built a month later but the other numbers coincide if you look back a month…looking at the posted serial number lists, I see the numerous times). Back to the WC52, although the truck was built in January of 1945, the actual engine number, I’m guessing,, appears to be from April 1943 range and the actual body number is post June 1945. The engine is 12 volts with late war accessories and doesn’t have a rebuild tag. The body model # on the card is 66; the body tag # is 4290. It had no data plates.
So, anyone know of an explanation for the serial number issue and does the 66 in the Body Model # field on the Build Card translate into a 4290 on the Budd Body Tag?

Tim

Here’s the info from the cards: From the truck:
WC57:
Frame Serial # 81674456 Frame Serial # 81674456
DOD May 27 1943 Data Plate is badly pitted can only make out 3 Engine # T214-118263 Engine # T214-118263
Body Model 19 Budd Body Tag # 4219-18029
Body # 18029 Hood # 20292211
WC52:
Frame Serial # 81750129 Frame Serial # 81750129
DOD Jan 3 1945 No Data Plate
Engine# T214-220255 Engine # T214-104576
Tim

1945 WC-57 81674456
1944 WC-52 81750129
1945 MB 430629
1943 Ford GPW133609
1943 Ben Hur 0347395 (Gertstenlager)

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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:47 am

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the data on your Dodges!!!!!

Remember the date on the build card is the assembly date of the truck and not the DoD / acceptance date found on the data plate. Postings to various lists many times confuse the two which makes figuring out which is which all the more difficult .

Also remember in a manufacturing environment serial numbers are just a documented identification with little reason to always be in a numerical order. The reason / when a S.N. number is used can be varied and many times the why is lost to history which makes researcher's jobs all that much more difficult.

Can you email photos of the build cards to me as there are several card details that I track in addition to what in normally listed by an owner.
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Michael O. » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:00 pm

Tom, I have some limited data on a WC4 I am purchasing...hope it's of some use. The tag on top of the cowl reads 4190-11078 and the Registration number is 219465. So far that's all I have as the current owner is searching for the glove box door with the data tag and trying to uncover the frame serial number.
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by mvdude1 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:23 pm

Hi Tom

I have 4 WC half tons to add to your list.

WC4 SN 8670204 Data plate delivery date is May 23, 1941. Original hood number is W 221047. Body tag number is 4190-12679 and it is on the original cab. Engine currently is T215-14597 S (standard), it had a T207 originally, but it was swapped out for the T215. I do not have the T207. This truck came from Connecticut and was there as of December 1946.

WC4 SN 8668941 Data plate delivery date was May 6, 1941. No other data. I do know that this WC4 was in California, unrestored, in the early 1980's.

WC6 SN 8671512 Data plate delivery date Unknown body tag number 4119-8997 Engine # T207-26598 Hood # Unknown I got in in Maryland about 2010

WC4 SN 8664452 Hood Number W 215935 That's all I have. It is a friends in Alabama

I do not have any build cards yet.

The top two WC4's have the mechanics style u joints, as Ernie stated, having the 2 clamps that slide over the cap, each held on by 2 bolts, I was not aware that was a change for after Feb 41. Thanks Ernie.
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Michael O. » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:31 am

Tom, I have more complete information on my WC4.

Serial Number: 8668603
Body Number: 4190-11078
Registration Number: USA W-219465
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Michael O. » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:46 pm

Thank you...I only wish I had the original motor.
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by halbkette » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:34 am

Hy Tom

My Dodge WC 52

Body Nr. 4290-74228
Motor Nr. T214-139186
Serial Nr. 81665912

I think this is a late Sept. 43 Model

I found on the hood the orig. blue number 2186477
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And finaly the Invasion star
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So is it possible to know in witch unit the Dodge served ?
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by Tom Wolboldt » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:45 am

Hi halbkette,

Thanks for your WC-52 numbers.

The numbers all look to fall into the very late August to early Oct. '43 time range. WW2 Dodges were not built in consecutive order so saying what is correct and what is not can be a issue. Best thing to do is to request a copy of the original build card for your truck from the Chrysler Archives. This will tell you the build date, original motor number, original body number.
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by halbkette » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:31 am

Thanks Tom
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Re: WW2 Dodge Data Needed

Post by DAHALE » Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:47 pm

Need a hood number for a 1941 WC-13, serial number 8685140, Cab # 4190-15839. Can you help? The previous owner was only able to find what he thought was 0483 and he wasn't sure if that was correct or original.
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