THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

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THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by Joe Gopan » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:43 am

TM9-885 was set aside for the 1/4 Ton G-529 WWII MBT-BT3 1/4 Ton Trailer but never published.
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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by cjv-35 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:55 pm

So Ben, What's would have been the difference between it and TM-10-1281 if there is an answer ?

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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:14 am

The TM number assigned by ordnance, possible changes in lubricants and some hardware, and safety chains, for a starter.
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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by Joe Gopan » Sat May 12, 2018 4:53 am

Has anyone found a draft of the proposed MBT TM9-885?
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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat May 12, 2018 9:06 am

I would imagine it contained references to BOTH the Willys and Bantam versions but as the mfgers were ending their printing of manuals and the TMs took over, there would be a need for a TM number. Much like both Ford and Willys ended their printing of manuals for each jeep and the TM 9-803 was replacing it.

However, since both the Willys and Ford manuals for the G-529 shared part numbers in the manuals for them I have seen...this would not have been an issue. Yet the 1945-era trailer producers continued to list the "TM 10-1281" as the official manual on the data plate due to them being Bantam clones and there was no place to carry them on the trailers, I suppose a mountain of them piled up which prevented GIs from using them as toilet paper or to start a fire in the field. There was nothing in the Willys/Bantam manuals that required the GI who had one behind his jeep to do with regard to maintenance....it was a higher echelon. As long as the lights worked, there was air pressure in the tires, they stayed in the field until destroyed by the enemy or rotated to the rear for maintenance.

Given that many trailers ended up with a different axel than they were issued with, it seems to me that any issue with the axel called for a swap out and immediate return to the field.
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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by pgcf » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:02 am

I do not have the Temporary manuals for the 1/4 ton trailer (if they even exist) but I do have them for the 1 ton trailers. I am providing this for the "what it's worth" factor.

Both manuals are dated 1 June 1943 and are identical except for the covers with the serial and registration numbers and the page that has the respective company's data plate image.

They are marked on the cover:

Temporary Manual
To be replaced by TM-9-883 A
June 1, 1943

Both have the crossover reference for the other's part numbers as well.

One interesting note in the Part Number section of both manuals states that all part numbers that begin with R can be used on the Bantam BRC and the Willys MB 1/4 ton truck. Neither mentions their respective 1/4 ton trailer.

This appears to be a transitional step from the TM10's to the TM9's.

Hope this is of some value.

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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by Joe Gopan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:19 am

Chuck Lutz wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 9:06 am
I would imagine it contained references to BOTH the Willys and Bantam versions but as the mfgers were ending their printing of manuals and the TMs took over, there would be a need for a TM number. Much like both Ford and Willys ended their printing of manuals for each jeep and the TM 9-803 was replacing it.

There was nothing in the Willys/Bantam manuals that required the GI who had one behind his jeep to do with regard to maintenance....it was a higher echelon. As long as the lights worked, there was air pressure in the tires, they stayed in the field until destroyed by the enemy or rotated to the rear for maintenance.
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Oh but Chuck there was life after WWII for the G-529 1/4 Ton Trailer.
Dig out your ORD7-8 SNL G-529 dated December 1951, turn to Page 2 Paragraph 8., "Plan for Maintenance". and note the titles on the front cover of the Supply Catalog.
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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by pgcf » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:50 am

To Chuck's point, there is a trailer LO on the back of the WDLO No. 501 starting in Jan. 43 and ending with the April 44 version. The June 44 version does not have it. The jeep spare tire and spare parts kit in the jeep covered what you needed for a trailer. That was all that was needed.

Regarding the Dec. 51 Ord 7-8 G-529, paragraph 8. b further clarifies and clearly states that "maintenance operations to be performed in each category of field and depot maintenance are indicated by the availability of spare parts as shown in particular column or by a symbol signifying authority to requisition them for use in that category of maintenance."

By the time of the 51 manuals G503's were on their way out but not the trailers but they lost access to a g503 spare parts kit.

Back to Chuck's point, if it is in the respective system as an available part for a jeep then that group can order it; otherwise, it has to be passed on to the next higher echelon for repair.

Simply put, trailers are parked or towed but either way see little need for work unless they are damaged. Lube and preventive maintenance covers most of the needs.

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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by pgcf » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:26 am

By the way, the M100 was coming into the inventory and the TM 9-871 starts in 1951.

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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by Joe Gopan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:32 am

And the G-529 Trailer stayed in US Military at least as long as there were G-503 Jeeps to tow them, the National Guard had G-503's thru 1954 and other services thru the 60's.
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Re: THE MANUAL THAT NEVER WAS

Post by pgcf » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:02 pm

Sure, but there was no reason to create new nomenclatures or manuals. Some MB's were in the system until the 70's, everything just adjusted to FSN's for parts and the references remained intact in the ORD and SNL manuals.

The original point was there was no reason to deviate from the Bantam TM10-1281 reference. The planning for the conversion to TM 9's took place in late '43 and Willys was ceasing production in March '44. Bantam, Gemco, etc., could suffice off the ORD 7,8, & 9 documentation for parts and utilize the maintenance portion of the TM10 series.

To further make my point Willys acknowledged this in their Jan. '44 TM-10-1230 by only having the maintenance section in the 4th edition even though the cover stated the manual covered both maintenance and parts. Bantam's last version of the TM10-1281 as May '43.

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