How to identify a Bantam T3-C Trailer
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How to identify a Bantam T3-C Trailer
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I've resurrected John Hubbard's T3-C database from the yahoo groups Bantam Trailers and solicit photos and info from all Bantam Civy trailer owners.
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How to ID your Bantam T3-C Trailer
Fulton Model 0-6 hitch
Arrow tail lamp Model 41 or 7341
Arrow Model 4124 license plate bracket (I have a real nice reproduction http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/banta ... 20918.html)
Early or late tow chain hooks
Blackout lamp switch hole on lower front right side (early)
Park brake handle mounting holes (early)
Spring hanger rivet bucking holes (early)
Spring hangers riveted (early) or bolted (late)
ACM number on the gusset beneath the left front spring hanger (only found on tubs with 4 side tie downs - left over T-3 tubs)
Shock mount holes in frame (very early)
Shackles “U” Jeep style or 2 piece flat stock style (later)
Combat Wheels, Solid Wheels, CJ2A Style Kelsey Hayes Wheels
Tarp tie down hooks 4 side, 2 front, 1 rear (early) or 3 side, 1 front, 1 rear (late)
Round drain hole patch in tub (early)
Four holes for riveting on the WWII data plate (early) T3-C data plate uses the upper holes
Bantam Data Pate Serial Number
Tube supports (early) or sheet metal supports (late) in rear
Bow pockets
Color Red or Green, possibly Olive Drab (very early)
Stencil on Tailgate or rear cross member (2 styles)
Optional Bows, Racks, and Canvas
I've resurrected John Hubbard's T3-C database from the yahoo groups Bantam Trailers and solicit photos and info from all Bantam Civy trailer owners.
contact me: 48cj2a@sbcglobal.net
How to ID your Bantam T3-C Trailer
Fulton Model 0-6 hitch
Arrow tail lamp Model 41 or 7341
Arrow Model 4124 license plate bracket (I have a real nice reproduction http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/banta ... 20918.html)
Early or late tow chain hooks
Blackout lamp switch hole on lower front right side (early)
Park brake handle mounting holes (early)
Spring hanger rivet bucking holes (early)
Spring hangers riveted (early) or bolted (late)
ACM number on the gusset beneath the left front spring hanger (only found on tubs with 4 side tie downs - left over T-3 tubs)
Shock mount holes in frame (very early)
Shackles “U” Jeep style or 2 piece flat stock style (later)
Combat Wheels, Solid Wheels, CJ2A Style Kelsey Hayes Wheels
Tarp tie down hooks 4 side, 2 front, 1 rear (early) or 3 side, 1 front, 1 rear (late)
Round drain hole patch in tub (early)
Four holes for riveting on the WWII data plate (early) T3-C data plate uses the upper holes
Bantam Data Pate Serial Number
Tube supports (early) or sheet metal supports (late) in rear
Bow pockets
Color Red or Green, possibly Olive Drab (very early)
Stencil on Tailgate or rear cross member (2 styles)
Optional Bows, Racks, and Canvas
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This is great, I just picked up my first T3 last week. It appears to be serial number 8117 so based on the database I am guessing it is a 1946.
I plan on doing a lot of reading, so I could rebuild this trailer.
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I plan on doing a lot of reading, so I could rebuild this trailer.
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That's looking good Art!
The one thing that can help us both is to list the ACM numbers if they are found on what appears to be a Bantam T3-C.....I checked my data base and I have the same two you do with ACM numbers....
It would be interesting to track exactly when the changes to the civilian design took place and if they were all at once...the distinctive differences that are NOT just a bolt-on accessory would be the ones to check on...
1) The Fulton hitch is, as far as I know, the same bolt pattern as the Lunette drawbar bracket...is that correct? If so, this is not a way to tell a WWII from civilian.
2) Hooks....four on the side for WWII and three on the side for Civilian. I think this would be a way to tell WWII from Civilian (the four hook would have an ACM number?).
3) Stake Pockets...could be welded into the WWII ACM tub, can you guys confirm if any KNOWN Civilian has been found without them?
4) Rear/Side Supports...the tube style being the EARLY ones, can you guys confirm if this style was used on the WWII/ACM leftovers and when NEW production for the civilian came along that the change to the support was initiated?
5) Spring Hangers.....have the holes visible from the side on the WWII/ACM ones as these are RIVETED together and the rivets need to be bucked from behind.....when they elimninated the riveting, the holes were no longer punched. Can you confirm/track when that came about and if it is at the same time they ran out of WWII/ACM tubs and went to the civilian ones?
6) Tailgate.....it seems the WWII/ACM tubs just had the tailgate cut out and reused or another one installed (??). When they went to the civilian tubs, is the design of the tailgate changed?
7) Data Plate Holes.....four for the WWII/ACM tubs and TWO for the civilian tubs....can you confirm if the WWII/ACM tubs had the two bottom holes left open or were they welded up on the first civilian T3-Cs?
That's a good start and I will send you or post any T3-Cs that I run across and I hope you can refer the WWII/ACM numbered WWII and civilian examples you run across also.
Can you do a tutorial for the sticky "How To ID Your Post-War Bantam Civilian 1/4 Ton Trailer".....I believe there are more than a few WWII trailers that have had a Fulton hitch put on them and a tailgate cut out over the years!
The one thing that can help us both is to list the ACM numbers if they are found on what appears to be a Bantam T3-C.....I checked my data base and I have the same two you do with ACM numbers....
It would be interesting to track exactly when the changes to the civilian design took place and if they were all at once...the distinctive differences that are NOT just a bolt-on accessory would be the ones to check on...
1) The Fulton hitch is, as far as I know, the same bolt pattern as the Lunette drawbar bracket...is that correct? If so, this is not a way to tell a WWII from civilian.
2) Hooks....four on the side for WWII and three on the side for Civilian. I think this would be a way to tell WWII from Civilian (the four hook would have an ACM number?).
3) Stake Pockets...could be welded into the WWII ACM tub, can you guys confirm if any KNOWN Civilian has been found without them?
4) Rear/Side Supports...the tube style being the EARLY ones, can you guys confirm if this style was used on the WWII/ACM leftovers and when NEW production for the civilian came along that the change to the support was initiated?
5) Spring Hangers.....have the holes visible from the side on the WWII/ACM ones as these are RIVETED together and the rivets need to be bucked from behind.....when they elimninated the riveting, the holes were no longer punched. Can you confirm/track when that came about and if it is at the same time they ran out of WWII/ACM tubs and went to the civilian ones?
6) Tailgate.....it seems the WWII/ACM tubs just had the tailgate cut out and reused or another one installed (??). When they went to the civilian tubs, is the design of the tailgate changed?
7) Data Plate Holes.....four for the WWII/ACM tubs and TWO for the civilian tubs....can you confirm if the WWII/ACM tubs had the two bottom holes left open or were they welded up on the first civilian T3-Cs?
That's a good start and I will send you or post any T3-Cs that I run across and I hope you can refer the WWII/ACM numbered WWII and civilian examples you run across also.
Can you do a tutorial for the sticky "How To ID Your Post-War Bantam Civilian 1/4 Ton Trailer".....I believe there are more than a few WWII trailers that have had a Fulton hitch put on them and a tailgate cut out over the years!
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Bantam T3-C 1947
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Sorry Guys, My domain name just expired and I did not get a notice it was happening.dmeyerrph wrote:Has anyone been able to access the Civilian Bantam site lately?
I'm also in the process of getting a new domain name specifically for the the Bantam T3C so please be patient with me and I'll make an announcement when I'm back up.
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Central Illinois
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48 CJ2A #194287 Project
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47 T3-C #12183
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Re: The Bantam T3-C Page has a new home
Calling all http://bantamt3c.com/ patrons and supporters.
Initially I set up the web site hosting by the month to see how it was going to fly and be excepted. I just renewed the hosting for a two year subscription and would like to solicit funds to offset the cost.
If you would like to support the http://bantamt3c.com/ by becoming a sponsor please go to the homepage and click the button in the upper left corner. I've setup a paypal account to except credit cards or PayPal transactions.
Sponsors are identified on the database. Special Thanks to Gary, Roger, and Gale for helping me initially getting it started with their generous donations.
If you have any Bantam literature, please send it so we can share with all.
email me directly at 48cj2a@sbcglobal.net
Initially I set up the web site hosting by the month to see how it was going to fly and be excepted. I just renewed the hosting for a two year subscription and would like to solicit funds to offset the cost.
If you would like to support the http://bantamt3c.com/ by becoming a sponsor please go to the homepage and click the button in the upper left corner. I've setup a paypal account to except credit cards or PayPal transactions.
Sponsors are identified on the database. Special Thanks to Gary, Roger, and Gale for helping me initially getting it started with their generous donations.
If you have any Bantam literature, please send it so we can share with all.
email me directly at 48cj2a@sbcglobal.net
Art C. USAF Retired (42 years)
Central Illinois
47 CJ2A #134955 Project
48 CJ2A #194287 Project
48 CJ2A #206759
45 T3-C #191
47 T3-C #12183
http://48cj2a.com/
http://bantamt3c.com/
Central Illinois
47 CJ2A #134955 Project
48 CJ2A #194287 Project
48 CJ2A #206759
45 T3-C #191
47 T3-C #12183
http://48cj2a.com/
http://bantamt3c.com/
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Re: How to identify a Bantam T3-C Trailer
1947 T3-C as purchased. I added red side reflectors and 2 yards of canvas bikini top. I recommend 3 yards 60" wide of canvas minimum. Bought at Hancock's Fabrics
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