Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by Humbermk4 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:59 am

Ok, it is a slow day in the office, so I will take a moment to get out my X-acto knofe to split a hair or two.....

As I understood the situation, the original documents for the Lend/Lease program saw <Snip from Wikipedia> Lend-Lease (Public Law 77-11)[1] was the name of the program under which the United States of America supplied the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, China, France and other Allied nations with vast amounts of war material between 1941 and 1945.

A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $759 billion at 2008 prices) worth of supplies were shipped: $31.4 billion to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France and $1.6 billion to China. Reverse Lend Lease comprised services (like rent on air bases) that went to the U.S. totaled $7.8 billion, of which $6.8 billion came from the British and the Commonwealth. The terms of the agreement provided that the material was to be used until time for their return or destruction. (Supplies after the termination date were sold to Britain at a discount, for £1.075 billion, using long-term loans from the U.S.) Canada operated a similar program that sent $4.7 billion in supplies to Britain and the Soviet Union.[2]

Repayment: There was no charge for the Lend Lease aid delivered during the war, but the Americans did expect the return of some durable goods such as ships. Congress had not authorized the gift of supplies after the war, so the administration charged for them, usually at a 90% discount. Large quantities of undelivered goods were in Britain or in transit when Lend-Lease terminated on 2 September 1945. Britain wished to retain some of this equipment in the immediate post war period. In 1946, the post-war Anglo-American loan further indebted Britain to the U.S. Lend-lease items retained were sold to Britain at 10% of nominal value, giving an initial loan value of £1.075 billion for the Lend Lease portion of the post-war loans. Payment was to be stretched out over 50 annual payments, starting in 1951 and with five years of deferred payments, at 2% interest.[26] The final payment of $83.3 million (£42.5 million), due on 31 December 2006 (repayment having been deferred in the allowed five years), was made on 29 December 2006 (the last working day of the year). After this final payment Britain's Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Ed Balls, formally thanked the U.S. for its wartime support. <end snip>

So, the Clinton administration dusted off the "Must be paid back" provisions as the rational to prohibit any US vehicles from being re-imported, while allowing (grudgingly) foreign made vehicles to continue to be imported. Yes, there was the court case that pushed State into allowing BATF to process the non-lend lease vehicles that were being held up.

Obviously, that worked becasse I got my Humber in.

SO here is where the hair splitting comes in. Is what some people call the "Ban", really just enforcing the terms of the 1941 Act? and that once the payback provisions of the Act are satisfied, the vehicles will "qualify" to be re-imported, just as other AFVs are?

Since the only country to pay back the Lend-Lease debt is the UK, does that mean that vehicles documentd to have been delivered to them Lend-Lease will now be cleared?

ANd that means only for any attempts to import one, like an International Halftrack, with paperwork started AFTER 29 December 2006?

All this doesn't help get a WC-51 in from Norway, or a Stuart in from Argentina, but it might allow some stuff to come in fromt he UK market.

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by Buggy Man » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:42 pm

Humbermk4 wrote: All this doesn't help get a WC-51 in from Norway, or a Stuart in from Argentina, but it might allow some stuff to come in fromt he UK market.
Not sure how that would work because Norway nor Argentina weren't receipients of Lend Lease. What I read about all those M3A1 Stuarts that came out of Argentina(?) was that they were either sold to or given in an aid package with a caviate that US Gov't had final say on their disposal? Read that in CMV magazine but have no idea if it's actually true or not. As for Norway, didn't they purchase all those WWII MVs as surplus right after the War like the Swiss did?
Cobra Doc wrote:This will be a moot point if the UN's "Global Small Arms Treaty" is passed, since neither "implements of war", nor parts for "implements of war" will be allowed to cross national borders unless part of a government sale or government brokered (not just approved) deal. And there are nations who want to include "all vehicles designed whole or in part for use by the military" as "implements of war" and "dual use" items as well.


Was this treaty passed? It concerns me greatly as I am a ferret (Mk.1/2) owner and I'm already having issues with the parts people across the pond. They have new export restrictions where Militaria is concerned.

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by Cobra Doc » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:22 pm

Matt,
Not passed yet, but the ATF has been doing their part to get it to pass, <see Fast & Furious>

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by ansancle » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:35 am

I wasn't aware of this issue with the UN arms treaty - this would basically kill my German Replica business since the base vehicles (VT-55's) come out of Eastern Europe.
I can't stand it anymore...... :evil:

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by battlebaby3 » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:26 pm

I heard this too with the UN. They are not our friends only beggers who want our cash lol.

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by ng19delta » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:04 pm

We NEED to get the US- as well any other good nations- OUT of the UN for reasons like this! They are a horrible organization, and nothing but a support activity for Anti-American and Dictatorial regimes. The UN has long outlived its purpose and usefulness. Close the building in New York, and reopen it as a hotel or something useful.

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Re: Repeal Lend/Lease Ban on Imports

Post by battlebaby3 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:35 am

Amen brother Amen

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